Haldir's mistake

afro-elf · 08-24-2002, 06:39 PM

Did he say that the Dwarf breathes so hard we could shoot him in the dark?

If those are his words, that doesn't mean to much because Elves see at night as well as humans do in the day.

olsonm · 08-24-2002, 07:15 PM

"Yes, they are Elves, and they say that you breathe so loud that they could shoot you in the dark." Legolas to Sam in 'Lothlorien'

Haldir simply says in the movie what Legolas says he said in the book.

Sween · 08-24-2002, 07:19 PM

i think were nitpicking people

StrawberryIcecream · 08-25-2002, 03:40 PM

interesting point though. So interesting im actually replying to a thread!

hmmmmm.... well found AE.

BeardofPants · 08-25-2002, 04:56 PM

A-E, I think you have FAR too much time on your hands.

As Martinez brought up in xenite, if they had such good night vision, then why did they use lights?

And as someone else brought up:

Night - twinkly stars
Dark - absense of light.

Faramir · 08-25-2002, 06:26 PM

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AE, I think you have far to much to much time on your hands.

I agree BoP. He just starts threads for the fun of it. I mean, who doesn't know what brain freeze is?

Reumandar · 08-26-2002, 06:44 AM

There is a diffrence between Night and Dark
just wondering where does it say they see in the dark? (I know I probabley sound like an air-head but I can't remember reading it

)
and can they see in the dark cave of Shelob?

afro-elf · 08-26-2002, 08:39 AM

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As Martinez brought up in xenite, if they had such good night vision, then why did they use lights?

Another of Tolkien's errors? Maybe for the beauty of light.

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agree BoP. He just starts threads for the fun of it. I mean, who doesn't know what brain freeze is?

Faramir you are just puerile and acerebral. Instead of just complaining, why don't you do a search and see how many post that I have compared too yours. Then go through them and see how many are serious, in jest, and honest queries.

When you do that, come back then say something worth while.

But, I doubt you have the integrity to do so. Or, maybe you just gloss over stuff that is too dense for your sub par discernment which causes you to read what you can glean which obvisouly is minisucle.

afro-elf · 08-26-2002, 08:43 AM

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I mean, who doesn't know what brain freeze is?

BTW mr. incongruous perception did ANYONE have a proper name for it?

NOPE. So, bugger off.

BeardofPants · 08-26-2002, 08:44 AM

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Another of Tolkien's errors? Maybe for the beauty of light.

Yes, that could well be the case. However, "You breath so loud, I could shoot you in the dark" could be a common saying amongst the Lothlorien elves for all we know.

Faramir: what's with the aggro? You complain about other people whining, and yet you seem to do an awful lot yourself.

***Earniel*** · 08-26-2002, 06:24 PM

My, my, aren't we all a little edgy here.....

Cats can't see in the complete dark either, so I don't see why elves should be able to. (oookay some of Eärniels most brilliant reasonings.

)

Me thinks the elves wanted to say that they could have shot him blindfolded, only aiming at the sound but 'in the dark' sounds so much cooler.

Faramir · 08-26-2002, 08:30 PM

I know, i'm just not happy lately, that's all.

Comic Book Guy · 08-26-2002, 08:36 PM

Faramir, BeardOfPants and Afro-Elf, keep on topic and don't attempt to insult each other.

afro-elf · 08-27-2002, 01:53 AM

CBG

I wish to pass on a compliment to you. For the last few months you have taken on a new demeanor. It's like you matured overnight. Keep up the good work.

Starr Polish · 08-27-2002, 08:10 AM

Well, during Helm's Deep, Legolas complains along the lines of "if it weren't so dark, I could shoot my arrows better". Helm's Deep is during the night, so twinkly stars, but he mentioned how the darkness of night was hindering him.

Guess you'd have to go back to the cats theory. Cats can see better in dimmer light than us, but they can't see in the pure dark, and they see better during the day, with brighter lights.

afro-elf · 08-27-2002, 11:29 AM

Can you get the exact quote Starr?

LuthienTinuviel · 08-27-2002, 11:43 AM

Well isn't Helm's Deep rainy? Or has the movie melted my mind?
If it was stormy at Helm's then there would be no twinkly stars.
AND LOVE THE CAT THEORY! I had to get out of the room so I could breathe!
This sounds like it's becoming another "Do Balrogs have wings" situation.

Comic Book Guy · 08-27-2002, 02:19 PM

Here are some relevant quotes from the text.

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'But it is still dark,' said Gimli. 'Even Legolas on a hill-top could not see them till the Sun is up.'
'I fear they have passed beyond my sight from hill or plain, under moon or sun,' said Legolas.

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'It is likely enough,' said Aragorn; 'yet I am not sure. I am thinking of the horses. You said last night, Gimli, that they were scared away. But I did not think so. Did you hear them, Legolas? Did they sound to you like beasts in terror?'
'No,' said Legolas. 'I heard them clearly. But for the darkness and our own fear I should have guessed that they were beasts wild with some sudden gladness. They spoke as horses will when they meet a friend that they have long missed.'

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'Many miles lie between,' said Legolas, gazing thither and shading his eyes with his long hand. 'I can see a darkness. There are shapes moving in it, great shapes far away upon the bank of the river; but what they are I cannot tell. It is not mist or cloud that defeats my eyes: there is a veiling shadow that some power lays upon the land, and it marches slowly down stream. It is as if the twilight under endless trees were flowing
downwards from the hills.'

And I think this is the quote you asked for.

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'I must go and seek some arrows,' said Legolas. 'Would that this nightwould end, and I could have better light for shooting.'

Thank you, Afro-Elf.

LuthienTinuviel · 08-27-2002, 04:50 PM

So, Colclusion be:
THE CAT THEORY

Linarryl · 10-21-2002, 03:39 PM

He was soposed to say that to Legolas and have him transalate it to Sam.

08-24-2002, 06:39 PM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Haldir's mistake Did he say that the Dwarf breathes so hard we could shoot him in the dark? If those are his words, that doesn't mean to much because Elves see at night as well as humans do in the day. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 08-24-2002 at 06:42 PM.

08-24-2002, 07:15 PM	#2
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	"Yes, they are Elves, and they say that you breathe so loud that they could shoot you in the dark." Legolas to Sam in 'Lothlorien' Haldir simply says in the movie what Legolas says he said in the book. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

08-24-2002, 07:19 PM	#3
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	i think were nitpicking people __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-25-2002, 03:40 PM	#4
StrawberryIcecream Elf Lord Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In my jeans Posts: 915	interesting point though. So interesting im actually replying to a thread! hmmmmm.... well found AE. __________________ www.foolofatook.com for all you pippin's out there.

08-25-2002, 04:56 PM	#5
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	A-E, I think you have FAR too much time on your hands. As Martinez brought up in xenite, if they had such good night vision, then why did they use lights? And as someone else brought up: Night - twinkly stars Dark - absense of light. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-26-2002, 06:44 AM	#7
Reumandar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Land of Fire and Ice ('Tis a country You will never guess it) Posts: 103	There is a diffrence between Night and Dark just wondering where does it say they see in the dark? (I know I probabley sound like an air-head but I can't remember reading it ) and can they see in the dark cave of Shelob? __________________ If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun Last edited by Reumandar : 08-26-2002 at 07:19 PM.

08-26-2002, 06:24 PM	#11
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	My, my, aren't we all a little edgy here..... Cats can't see in the complete dark either, so I don't see why elves should be able to. (oookay some of Eärniels most brilliant reasonings. ) Me thinks the elves wanted to say that they could have shot him blindfolded, only aiming at the sound but 'in the dark' sounds so much cooler. __________________ We are not things.

08-26-2002, 08:30 PM	#12
Faramir Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ithilien Posts: 353	I know, i'm just not happy lately, that's all. __________________ This is the Window of the Sunset, Henneth Annun, fairest of all the falls of Ithilien, land of many fountains."-Faramir, Chapter IV, The Two Towers ========================== FRODO LIVES!!! ========================== YODA IS DA MAN!!! ========================== I Love Jesus!

08-26-2002, 08:36 PM	#13
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Faramir, BeardOfPants and Afro-Elf, keep on topic and don't attempt to insult each other.

08-27-2002, 01:53 AM	#14
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	CBG I wish to pass on a compliment to you. For the last few months you have taken on a new demeanor. It's like you matured overnight. Keep up the good work. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 08-27-2002 at 01:56 AM.

08-27-2002, 08:10 AM	#15
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Well, during Helm's Deep, Legolas complains along the lines of "if it weren't so dark, I could shoot my arrows better". Helm's Deep is during the night, so twinkly stars, but he mentioned how the darkness of night was hindering him. Guess you'd have to go back to the cats theory. Cats can see better in dimmer light than us, but they can't see in the pure dark, and they see better during the day, with brighter lights. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

08-27-2002, 11:29 AM	#16
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Can you get the exact quote Starr? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

08-27-2002, 11:43 AM	#17
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	Well isn't Helm's Deep rainy? Or has the movie melted my mind? If it was stormy at Helm's then there would be no twinkly stars. AND LOVE THE CAT THEORY! I had to get out of the room so I could breathe! This sounds like it's becoming another "Do Balrogs have wings" situation. __________________ Last edited by LuthienTinuviel : 08-27-2002 at 11:45 AM.

08-27-2002, 04:50 PM	#19
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	So, Colclusion be: THE CAT THEORY __________________

10-21-2002, 03:39 PM	#20
Linarryl Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 160	He was soposed to say that to Legolas and have him transalate it to Sam.

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