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Old 04-16-2005, 04:26 PM   #1
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Rosie Cotton

How much did she know about what was going on?
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:17 AM   #2
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Old 04-21-2005, 04:30 PM   #3
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Rosie is awesome. But I doubt she knew more about the War of the Ring than the average hobbit. The only hobbits who knew anything were Bilbo, Merry, Frodo, Pippin and Sam.

Then, Sam's Gaffer would have known a small amount about Sam going to Crickhollow with Frodo, and that would have trickled down through the grape-vine to all the other Hobbiton hobbits.
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Old 04-21-2005, 04:35 PM   #4
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I think Rosie did quite well in dealing with Sam's PTDSS.

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Old 04-21-2005, 05:29 PM   #5
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How much did she know about what was going on?

i don't know about "going on" but i think she maybe sensed to some degree the hero within SAM
(in terms of what had happened)
both in general terms and to Sam personally


...er. why do you ask?
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Old 04-22-2005, 07:20 AM   #6
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IMO, a lot, but not about dragons or elves or rings or other such trivia.

How important she is depends on how you view the overall story.

Recently, I've come to view LOTR as essentially Sam's story. He is the true hero, and the one who ultimately stays rooted in real life.

If you accept Sam as the central character, then Rosie represents the (off-screen but nevertheless) central feminine aspect of the idealised Shire.

There are some strong hints of this in the last 2 chapters. She states "they all said you were dead, but I've been expecting you since Spring", suggesting that she had an inner knowledge about her and Sam's fate. Then of course she and Sam produce this enormous brood of Fairbairns who take over the world.

It's only when she dies that the last of the ring-bearers finally leaves Middle-Earth.
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Old 04-27-2005, 09:38 AM   #7
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Rosie's great!! (gee, I wonder why I think that?) Seriously, I love Rosie C. I love her firey spirit and her no-nonsense attitude: "Well be off with you! If you've been looking after Mr. Frodo all this while, what d'you want to leave him for, as soon as things look dangerous?" I like that when she notices that Sam cannot explain things to her and that what she says may have hurt him a little, she amends with, "I think you look fine, Sam. Go on now! But take care of yourself, and come straight back after you settled the ruffians!" Kind of, "Well, you left me to go look after your master; and now when he's in serious danger you change your mind and come to my door? Okay, okay, I'll admit it: I forgive you and I love you. Just you go and 'settle the ruffians', but afterwards, get your butt back here--I'm tired of waiting for you!"

Here's a bit quote I just found, which I love:

"I think the simple 'rustic' love of Sam and his Rosie (nowhere elaborated) is absolutely essential to the study of his (the chief hero's) character, and to the theme of the relation of ordinary life (breathing, eating, working, begetting) and quests, sacrifice, causes, and the 'longing for Elves', and sheer beauty.

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Old 04-28-2005, 06:21 PM   #8
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Rosie Cotton could be any women who has stood by and seen her friend, husband go off to fight for what he believes in. She is the constant person back home. Of course it takes Sam the whole story to work out that she is the woman for him , but then is not just the way we men are?
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Old 06-16-2005, 06:53 AM   #9
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It is really cool that she took him back and she didn't even make his life so hard for leaving her. A kind and forgiving woman, Sam's lucky. And I agree that she gave Sam some strenght to keep him on track during their adventure.
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Old 08-19-2005, 01:34 PM   #10
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actually, i think she knew nothing... her one interest (as far as i can tell) in the entire matter was sam and that was that....
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Old 08-19-2005, 02:33 PM   #11
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Yep, I agree. When Sam returns home (at the very end) she's just glad to see him back. No questions, no tears, just happy. That's great.
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Old 08-19-2005, 04:21 PM   #12
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Yep, I agree. When Sam returns home (at the very end) she's just glad to see him back. No questions, no tears, just happy. That's great.
I know, I agree, and this quality of hers as her character in the whole scheme of things in Lord of the Rings i think is what makes her so special, so necessary a component to add to the flavour of Sam's personality as well, and so poignant & refreshing. I really like her simplicity and her pure, casual normalcy.
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Old 09-03-2005, 01:31 AM   #13
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I love the scene where they first meet up when Sam gets to the Cotton house. He's distressed because there's the whole Ruffian thing, and nervous about seeing her again, but he's been through Mordor and everything, and she asks him if he's been looking after Frodo all this time, why is he abandoning him just when things get dangerous? Don't have the exact quote, but it just seems the perfect let-down, after everything Sam's been through! But she's sweet, and I'm sure she loves him. How much did she know? Probably just what she heard from other Hobbits, until Sam got back. I'm sure he told her everything after they were married.

Or did he? Some of it might have been too painful for him to discuss, and he wouldn't have wanted to burden her with the scary stuff, like Shelob, or Snaga. But I'm sure he told her about the Oliphaunts, and all his friends in the Fellowship.
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I think Rosie was the lass all those men hoped to return to from the world wars from which Tolkien himself (Thank goodness) returned.

I'm also betting Sam told most everything to Rosie, wanting to share the experience with a 'believing' and 'loving' ear. I'm sure the fella's at the pub just rolled thier eye's to most of Sam's tales...
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