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Glaurung
By some posts in the Turin Turambar and Free Will thread me and Elemmire got into discussing Glaurung. Here are the last two posts about him.
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When Turin met him he was at the height of his power and it was face to face. See the difference?
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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12-07-2004, 10:32 AM | #2 |
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clearly.
as I see it you are right TD. I think a dragon like Glaurung would be able to take more damage, than a human at the same age.
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12-07-2004, 02:17 PM | #3 |
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OH MY GOD!
I was joking, TD! I can't believe you just started a thread about that!
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12-07-2004, 02:21 PM | #4 | ||
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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12-07-2004, 02:27 PM | #5 |
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Stupid, pointless, and annoying...
But now I'm going to have to defend my joke. I honestly don't think that the dragon would have been traumatised, so to speak. It just looked amusing on the screen... . However, I do believe that until Glaurung was killed by Turin (obviously), he had been more injured by Fingon. So, what exactly are you arguing, TD, that Glaurung was more hurt by Turin at Nargothrond, where (if I read it right ) Turin did not get as much as a single stroke of his sword in before he fell under the dragon's spell? Or are we debating something entirely different now? I don't think I understand your argument.
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Fingon was born during the Years of the Trees - a period which lasted approximately 10000 sun-years. As far as I know it doesn't say when during that period he was born, but since by the time the Noldor came to Middle Earth he was already respected among his people in addition to being strong enough to march into the heart of hell to rescue his best friend (FA5), It's a good bet that he'd already reached his majority by that time. Furthermore, Glaurung was not spotted for another 250 years (FA260) - which means that Fingon would have been well into his 300th Year at the bare minimum. Since one of the Eldar would be full grown at an absolute maximum of 150 Years, claiming that Fingon was 'a child of about 15' is entirely ludicris. Fingon was a full grown, highly trained, battle hardened WAR HERO, who was furthermore backed up by a squad of crack archers. This is a FACT. It is NOT OPEN TO DISCUSSION BY THE PEANUT GALLERY.*relax* Oh yeah. That was a nice rant.
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12-07-2004, 02:55 PM | #7 |
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Wait... now I'm confused.
TD, are you claiming that Fingon was 15, or that Glaurung was 15? Because Wayfarer is completely correct if it's the former.
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12-07-2004, 02:59 PM | #8 |
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GRRRR! Correct pronoun reference is your friend, people!
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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12-07-2004, 04:33 PM | #10 |
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You had better edit your first post, if you don't want any more snide remarks from the Unsufferable...
btw, Wayfarer, I am not and never will be a member of the "Peanut Gallery." Why don't you come join us and stop making strange sounds... TD, can you tell me what exactly we're debating? Is it simply who hurt Glaurung more: Fingon or Turin (prior to the slaying)?
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12-07-2004, 04:39 PM | #11 |
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Not really. Just Glaurung!
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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