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12-19-2004, 09:35 PM | #1 |
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Dwarves: The True Hero's of Tolkien's Works?
It is my belief that, if it were not for the Dwarves, the Enemy would have taken The Ring. If Gandalf Had not gone in search of Thorin's father, in the tower of the Necromancer, he would not have not realized that he, the Necromancer was indeed Sauron himself, and Sauron would have been able locate the Ring, and take it.
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12-20-2004, 12:43 AM | #2 |
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If not for the Dwarves, the Enemy would have indeed conquered Middle Earth.
If not for the Elves, Melkor would have undisputed dominion over the lands beyond Valinor. If not for Men, the Enemy would have destroyed both the elves and the dwarves, and taken full control of the world. If not for Hobbits, Sauron would have conquered, and the world would be a much gloomier place. I won't go so far as to say that, if not for Orcs, Morgoth and Sauron would have been in a better position. But it's an interesting thought.
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12-20-2004, 12:06 PM | #3 |
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Gandalf did not go into Dol Guldur looking for Thrain. The fact that he found him there was meerly a coincidence. He went in to find out who the Necromancer was and to explore his dwelling.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
12-20-2004, 02:24 PM | #4 | |
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Wayfarer's got a point... everyone was important, none more or less so than anyone else.
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12-20-2004, 02:35 PM | #5 |
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I wouldn't say that they were the most loyal servants because I'd say that hobbits were, but I also agree with Wayfarer.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
12-20-2004, 03:35 PM | #6 |
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Oh how boring... everyone's agreeing with the insufferable twit.
How about this: it was all pre-ordained in Ilúvatar's music.... so does that make HIM the True Hero?
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12-20-2004, 03:49 PM | #7 |
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Or the true villain...
*grumbles*
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12-20-2004, 04:01 PM | #8 |
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I thought he was just the director of the film.
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03-02-2006, 10:27 PM | #10 |
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To the Respectable Wayfarer
Ya Know, it does seem like it would have all worked out that way. Everything would have gone wrong if certain people were not where they were doing what they were doing at a certain time and place. So... Maybe you have to think of Tolkien as a sort of "Higher Power" who positioned everyone where they needed to be so that Life on Middle-Earth goes on as it should, with many losses as well as victories. The Orcs were supposed to be mindless muscle and the Elves and the Dwarves and the Men and anyone else that you can think of was supposed to be there. So, now it seems that they are all the heroes and arguing over it becomes as mindless as the Orcs themselves, doesn't it?
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09-27-2009, 05:42 PM | #11 |
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Im going to have to also respectrully disagree with alot of you. and say that its all the elves fault. They shouldnt of made those rings anyways. As for the hobbits they are way overrated and are really useless because gimli could of carried the ring b/c they (the dwarves) have a resistance to that sort of thing. And gimli could of easily taken it and destroyed it since he is unnaffected by the ring. Also keep in mind that Frodo would of been dead if not for the mithril that the dwarves made. The only thing the dwarves couldnt resist was the arkenstone and gold.
Thus if the elves hadnt made all those rings there wouldnt of been a problem. Also keep in mind that if the elves hadnt made all those rings the witch King wouldnt of been there and thus the hobbits were not needed Thus you can remove the elves because they helped caused the problem And the hobbits were really worthless.. gimli could of done it. So the true heroes are the dwarves and men b/c you cannot do w/o them. Last edited by TurinTurambar : 09-27-2009 at 06:03 PM. |
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