samwise the down trodden help!

The Screaming Nazgul · 09-12-2005, 05:22 PM

Who here thinks that sam does all the work gets no praise, and then frodo bu**ers off and leaves him to go on holiday in a big boat!!!!

dam it first time i post a new thread and i put it in wrong listing, oh well no wonder us Nazgul never got the ring!!!!

rohirrim TR · 09-12-2005, 05:25 PM

I think your right Sam is the real hero and the movies don't give him enough praise for being a hero (i assume you are refering to the films because in the books he sails to valinor later)

BTW welcome to the moot

The Screaming Nazgul · 09-12-2005, 05:33 PM

I did not know that sam went to valinor. thanks for telling me. i was thinking of the films but have read the 3 books twice but not all the extra bits, in fact not read the hobbit either

rohirrim TR · 09-12-2005, 05:39 PM

yes it is in the appendices about sam sailing away

The Screaming Nazgul · 09-12-2005, 05:51 PM

Get me right i love the books and i love films but the appendices seem to be a bit mind blowing, but back to Sam he is the unsung hero in book and in the films, we should start the SAM APPRECIATION SOCIETY.

rohirrim TR · 09-16-2005, 11:10 AM

yeah sam pretty much owns, and he was cast very well IMO

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 09-16-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Screaming Nazgul

dam it first time i post a new thread and i put it in wrong listing, oh well no wonder us Nazgul never got the ring!!!!

Well, General Messages is definately the wrong forum.

Moving to the Lord of the Rings forum.

Elanor · 09-18-2005, 12:49 AM

Sam is awesome. Without him, Middle Earth would be Kaput. I don't think Frodo under-appreciates him, but most other people do, especially the other hobbits in the Shire! Sure they made him Mayor, but they don't really understand what he's been through.

**Nurvingiel** · 09-27-2005, 02:54 PM

Sam under-appreciates himself, which is the leading cause of any Sam under-appreciation. IIRC, Sam was flabbergasted when Frodo suggested he run for mayor. Which he then did, and won, nine times. I guess he's pretty well appreciated after all.

Not to mention that, outside of the Shire, he and Frodo are regarded as the heroes of the Third Age. But other than that...

Curubethion · 09-27-2005, 08:57 PM

Actually, Frodo wasn't really regarded as a hero...and Sam was elected Mayor of Hobbiton like twenty times in a row...

Curubethion · 09-28-2005, 07:47 PM

Oh, and I noticed something odd the other day. It was a pickup, with a name on the side: Gamgee Gardeners...I'm serious!

**Nurvingiel** · 10-03-2005, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Curubethion

Actually, Frodo wasn't really regarded as a hero...and Sam was elected Mayor of Hobbiton like twenty times in a row...

Frodo was definitely regarded as a hero outside the Shire. That's what I meant when I said he and Sam were regarded as heroes of the Third Age. Within the Shire, Merry and Pippin were the big heroes, with Sam to a lesser degree. Only Frodo went unrecognized in the Shire.

It was nine times in a row.

The Gaffer · 01-10-2006, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Sam under-appreciates himself, which is the leading cause of any Sam under-appreciation. IIRC, Sam was flabbergasted when Frodo suggested he run for mayor. Which he then did, and won, nine times. I guess he's pretty well appreciated after all.

Not to mention that, outside of the Shire, he and Frodo are regarded as the heroes of the Third Age. But other than that...

Good point. IMO it is really Sam's story. Frodo is fundamentally changed by his experience of ring-bearing, but Sam triumphs through his own humility and natural wisdom. He is the continuous thread between those who had to lose what they had so that it could be saved for others and those for whom it was saved. (If that makes sense.)

littleadanel · 01-10-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Gaffer

Good point. IMO it is really Sam's story. Frodo is fundamentally changed by his experience of ring-bearing, but Sam triumphs through his own humility and natural wisdom. He is the continuous thread between those who had to lose what they had so that it could be saved for others and those for whom it was saved. (If that makes sense.)

Yes, it does make sense, I think... Sam lived a long and happy life in the Shire he had helped saving, but finally he sailed away too, being a Ringbearer as well. Maybe he was able to find his place in the "normal world" after all they had gone through because he had been Ringbearer only for a short time. He began to feel like Frodo felt only after many years, when he grew old. (And lost his Rosie...)

luvEyowen · 12-21-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Screaming Nazgul

Who here thinks that sam does all the work gets no praise, and then frodo bu**ers off and leaves him to go on holiday in a big boat!

Didn't Sam bear the ring?

durinsbane2244 · 12-21-2005, 10:26 PM

for a short time...also, christopher lee thinks sam is the real hero, and he's christopher lee! yay christopher lee!

09-12-2005, 05:22 PM	#1
The Screaming Nazgul Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: west midlands uk Posts: 35	samwise the down trodden help! Who here thinks that sam does all the work gets no praise, and then frodo bu*ers off and leaves him to go on holiday in a big boat!!!! dam it first time i post a new thread and i put it in wrong listing, oh well no wonder us Nazgul never got the ring!!!! __________________ look out look out there's a nazgul about! Last edited by The Screaming Nazgul : 09-12-2005 at 05:27 PM.*

09-12-2005, 05:33 PM	#3
The Screaming Nazgul Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: west midlands uk Posts: 35	I did not know that sam went to valinor. thanks for telling me. i was thinking of the films but have read the 3 books twice but not all the extra bits, in fact not read the hobbit either __________________ look out look out there's a nazgul about!

09-12-2005, 05:51 PM	#5
The Screaming Nazgul Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: west midlands uk Posts: 35	Get me right i love the books and i love films but the appendices seem to be a bit mind blowing, but back to Sam he is the unsung hero in book and in the films, we should start the SAM APPRECIATION SOCIETY. __________________ look out look out there's a nazgul about!

09-18-2005, 12:49 AM	#8
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	Sam is awesome. Without him, Middle Earth would be Kaput. I don't think Frodo under-appreciates him, but most other people do, especially the other hobbits in the Shire! Sure they made him Mayor, but they don't really understand what he's been through. __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

09-27-2005, 08:57 PM	#10
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	Actually, Frodo wasn't really regarded as a hero...and Sam was elected Mayor of Hobbiton like twenty times in a row... __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

09-28-2005, 07:47 PM	#11
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	Oh, and I noticed something odd the other day. It was a pickup, with a name on the side: Gamgee Gardeners...I'm serious! __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

12-21-2005, 10:26 PM	#16
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	for a short time...also, christopher lee thinks sam is the real hero, and he's christopher lee! yay christopher lee! __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

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