The Real first and Presumed first

Grey_Wolf · 12-24-2005, 03:56 PM

In the copy of The Narnia Septology which I have

Nr 1 is The Magician's Nephew
Nr 2 is The Lion, the witch and the wardrobe

Anyone concur with or contest this?

***Earniel*** · 12-25-2005, 06:23 AM

In my old septology The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is the first book of the series. And The Magician's Nephew is last or penultimate (I forget) but is called a 'prologue' to the whole series.

I suppose its place depends on whether you go by writing date or place in the story-timeline.

***Valandil*** · 12-25-2005, 09:42 AM

That's how I understand it.

Most people suggest that I read LWW first - what do you 'mooters say?

Serenoli · 12-25-2005, 12:17 PM

I agree with them. Even though The Magician's Nephew was chronologically first, it makes more sense reading them the way they were written. Its more of a flashback than a prologue, if you get what I mean.

Firekitten2006 · 12-25-2005, 03:14 PM

I just got the HUGE book with all 7 books in it and it says that although the Magicians Nephew was written after all the others, Lewis wanted it read first. It is as a prologue to the rest of them, as you see if you read it. (I'm reading it right now, and its slowing coming out and showing the background to the rest of the books).

durinsbane2244 · 12-25-2005, 09:04 PM

i think the lion should be read first, like the redwall books...

hectorberlioz · 01-03-2006, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serenoli

I agree with them. Even though The Magician's Nephew was chronologically first, it makes more sense reading them the way they were written. Its more of a flashback than a prologue, if you get what I mean.

And besides, it's a little surpise to find to find out that the prof. form LWW is Digory, a Narnia goer himself. Maybe not a big surprise, just a pleasant one.

inked · 01-04-2006, 10:50 AM

As I have ranted before, it is publication order!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dost thou sayest read the SILMARILLION firstest?

No, precioussssssssssssss, thou dost not!

edit: 11-24-2004 http://www.entmoot.com/showthread.ph...4&page=4&pp=20 #63

Well, I am going to go all over nerdy here about the recent publications of the CoN because I came across them numbered IN PROPER CHRONOLOGICAL SEQUENCE PER NARNIAN TIME! The only proper sequence to read them in for the first time is publication order in my inestimable and not at all humble nor modest opinion! It's, it's blasphemy, that's what it is, to number them for unsuspecting gift giving adults to buy for children!!! Some poor soul will now encounter them as though they were historically accurate renditions of Narnia instead of the wonderfully kaleidescoped published sequence. Ahh, the lack of romance and adventure to encounter Aslan as in TMN rather than LWW!!!!

I hear there are persons who consider this chronological series read to be proper and the only correct way to read TCON BUT that is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG (did I mention I regard that view as erroneous?)! I adduce the very proper stage and television and BBC productions of the series as further evidence of my thesis! And the ERTV/Kraft foods animated movie, as well!
And the intended current productions!!!!!!!!! Everyone knows they should be produced as published! Egads! Has the world gone enumeration delusional?

*breathes*

Oh, the horror of it! Is it the baleful influence of the enumerated HP series casting a bewitchment of arithmancy over the whole publishing industry? DO those chaps/chappettes in the booking world think that works of fiction need be cast all in the modes of artificial history a la Tolkein? Will they next number all the extant Tolkeiniana in the same fashion from Silmarillion to HoME whatever we are at? (And a good long lifetime to 'em if they try that!)
Shall we have Charles Williams novels subjected to the iniquities of this ilk?

*breathes...again*

I dare say sequentially narrative Lord Peter Wimsey novels are published as such for they were produced as such! But this irritatingly anachronistical ephemeral fad of producing numbered TCON is simply WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! To enter Narnia unaccompanied by Mr. Tumnus on the first visit????
It is sacrilege! Do not succumb to this mania for enumeration!
Go to Narnia as published and read for nearly 6 decades, not some moddish pseudo-historicism route, I beg of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*breathes*
...and tomorrow I'll say how I REALLY FEEL about this atrocity of enumerated publication by historicists!!!!!

mithrand1r · 12-29-2005, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valandil

That's how I understand it.

Most people suggest that I read LWW first - what do you 'mooters say?

I read MN first, but this was after I saw the LLW cartoon.
I think I read the rest of the Narnia books, but I am not sure. I definitely read the SilverChair, LWW and MN.

I liked the MN. I do not think it makes much difference regarding the order you read the books. Although they are chronological, I think each book is mostly independent from the other books.

I think the Movie makers did a great job in portraying the White Witch. She is similar to my idea of her from MN. (Especially regarding her height.)

I am inclined to say read MN first, but I do not think you can go wrong regardless of which book you read first.

GreyMouser · 04-16-2006, 01:12 PM

Absolutely fanatical on this- CS, what were you thinking?

1-TLTWTW
2-Prince Caspian
3-The Dawn Treader
4- The Silver Chair
5, 6, The Magician's Nephew; TheHorse and His Boy
7- The Last Battle

Have hung out at our college library warning (Taiwanese) English-Language teachers against the printed order- "But it says No. 1 " "PUT THAT DOWN- start with The Lion.."

Finrod Felagund · 04-17-2006, 02:43 AM

Read LLW, and the go back and read the series in timeline order. Thats my 2 cents.

12-24-2005, 03:56 PM	#1
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	The Real first and Presumed first In the copy of The Narnia Septology which I have Nr 1 is The Magician's Nephew Nr 2 is The Lion, the witch and the wardrobe Anyone concur with or contest this? Last edited by Grey_Wolf : 12-25-2005 at 05:44 AM.

12-25-2005, 06:23 AM	#2
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	In my old septology The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is the first book of the series. And The Magician's Nephew is last or penultimate (I forget) but is called a 'prologue' to the whole series. I suppose its place depends on whether you go by writing date or place in the story-timeline. __________________ We are not things.

12-25-2005, 09:42 AM	#3
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	That's how I understand it. Most people suggest that I read LWW first - what do you 'mooters say? __________________ My Fanfic: Letters of Firiel Tales of Nolduryon Visitors Come to Court Ñ á ë ?* ó ú é ä ï ö Ö ñ É Þ ð ß ® ™ [Xurl=Xhttp://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=ABCXYZ#postABCXYZ]text[/Xurl] Splitting Threads is SUCH Hard Work!!

12-25-2005, 12:17 PM	#4
Serenoli Head of the Department for the Invention and Propagation of Sugar, Spice and Everything Nice! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ithilien Posts: 852	I agree with them. Even though The Magician's Nephew was chronologically first, it makes more sense reading them the way they were written. Its more of a flashback than a prologue, if you get what I mean. __________________ "I meant," said Ipslore bitterly, "what is there in this world that truly makes living worthwhile?" Death thought about it. "Cats," he said eventually. "Cats are nice." -Terry Pratchett, Sourcery Join the Harry Potter discussion, click here

12-25-2005, 03:14 PM	#5
Firekitten2006 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: the US of A! But I wish i was in austraila, never been, just think it would be a fun place to live :) Posts: 372	I just got the HUGE book with all 7 books in it and it says that although the Magicians Nephew was written after all the others, Lewis wanted it read first. It is as a prologue to the rest of them, as you see if you read it. (I'm reading it right now, and its slowing coming out and showing the background to the rest of the books). __________________ I'm Baaaack!!

12-25-2005, 09:04 PM	#6
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	i think the lion should be read first, like the redwall books... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

01-04-2006, 10:50 AM	#8
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	As I have ranted before, it is publication order!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dost thou sayest read the SILMARILLION firstest? No, precioussssssssssssss, thou dost not! edit: 11-24-2004 http://www.entmoot.com/showthread.ph...4&page=4&pp=20 #63 Well, I am going to go all over nerdy here about the recent publications of the CoN because I came across them numbered IN PROPER CHRONOLOGICAL SEQUENCE PER NARNIAN TIME! The only proper sequence to read them in for the first time is publication order in my inestimable and not at all humble nor modest opinion! It's, it's blasphemy, that's what it is, to number them for unsuspecting gift giving adults to buy for children!!! Some poor soul will now encounter them as though they were historically accurate renditions of Narnia instead of the wonderfully kaleidescoped published sequence. Ahh, the lack of romance and adventure to encounter Aslan as in TMN rather than LWW!!!! I hear there are persons who consider this chronological series read to be proper and the only correct way to read TCON BUT that is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG (did I mention I regard that view as erroneous?)! I adduce the very proper stage and television and BBC productions of the series as further evidence of my thesis! And the ERTV/Kraft foods animated movie, as well! And the intended current productions!!!!!!!!! Everyone knows they should be produced as published! Egads! Has the world gone enumeration delusional? breathes Oh, the horror of it! Is it the baleful influence of the enumerated HP series casting a bewitchment of arithmancy over the whole publishing industry? DO those chaps/chappettes in the booking world think that works of fiction need be cast all in the modes of artificial history a la Tolkein? Will they next number all the extant Tolkeiniana in the same fashion from Silmarillion to HoME whatever we are at? (And a good long lifetime to 'em if they try that!) Shall we have Charles Williams novels subjected to the iniquities of this ilk? breathes...again I dare say sequentially narrative Lord Peter Wimsey novels are published as such for they were produced as such! But this irritatingly anachronistical ephemeral fad of producing numbered TCON is simply WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! To enter Narnia unaccompanied by Mr. Tumnus on the first visit???? It is sacrilege! Do not succumb to this mania for enumeration! Go to Narnia as published and read for nearly 6 decades, not some moddish pseudo-historicism route, I beg of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! breathes ...and tomorrow I'll say how I REALLY FEEL about this atrocity of enumerated publication by historicists!!!!! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941 Last edited by inked : 01-04-2006 at 10:59 AM.

04-16-2006, 01:12 PM	#10
GreyMouser Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 301	Absolutely fanatical on this- CS, what were you thinking? 1-TLTWTW 2-Prince Caspian 3-The Dawn Treader 4- The Silver Chair 5, 6, The Magician's Nephew; TheHorse and His Boy 7- The Last Battle Have hung out at our college library warning (Taiwanese) English-Language teachers against the printed order- "But it says No. 1 " "PUT THAT DOWN- start with The Lion.."

04-17-2006, 02:43 AM	#11
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	Read LLW, and the go back and read the series in timeline order. Thats my 2 cents. __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!"