The Death Star

[Elessar the Elfstone]

do you think the Death Star will feature in any way in episode III? because we saw the plans for it in AOTC so what will we se in ROTS

[Earniel]

It could very well be, frankly I'm counting on it for a bit.

I think adding those plans in AOTC was a very nice touch and helps solidating the two film-trilogy together.

[Wayfarer]

I don't.

Why? Because it is presented in Episode 4 as something new, something original, and that wouldn't have been the case if it had been around for or twenty or forty years before that.

[Lenya]

I think so. Maybe it will feature somewhere in the background, just to tickle something in the back of your head. As another link between the movies.

[HOBBIT]

Most likely the Death Star WILL be in Ep III.

Or at least you will see it in construction much the way the second death star is in ROTJ.

We will probably also see Grand Moff Tarkin - the dude in charge of the Death Star in Ep 4, A New Hope.

[Wayfarer]

Wow. I guess everybody dissagrees with me. :grin:

Still. I think the Death Star will be alluded to in Episode III. I think that Palpatine will be setting the groundwork for its construction, and we'll get to see the machinations started that in 10 or 20 years will eventually result in the construction of the Death Star. The actual construction should occur in the 'off screen' times between episodes.

[Earniel]

Originally Posted by HOBBIT

Most likely the Death Star WILL be in Ep III.

Or at least you will see it in construction much the way the second death star is in ROTJ.

We will probably also see Grand Moff Tarkin - the dude in charge of the Death Star in Ep 4, A New Hope.

I'm not thinking the whole Death Star will be in Episode III. There's a large time-period between Episode III and Episode IV, so it'll be unlikely it would already be in construction at the time of Episode III. In RoTJ the Empire was much more powerful IMO than in Episode III so they would not have needed so long to built the Death Star.

At least that's what I'm guessing, can't be sure until we see the finished film, right? But I'm counting on it that there will be references or holo's from the plans in Episode III.

[Lenya]

Ah, I almost forgot that Yes, like I said earlyer on:

Originally Posted by Lenya

I think so. Maybe it will feature somewhere in the background, just to tickle something in the back of your head. As another link between the movies.

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

I don't.

Why? Because it is presented in Episode 4 as something new, something original, and that wouldn't have been the case if it had been around for or twenty or forty years before that.

I disagree with your reasoning Wayfarer, what we saw in Episode Two [Clone War] was only a holigraphic planning of the "secret weapon". Undoubtedly there were still a few kinks to be worked out of the design resulting in a breif time of design construction. After the design was completed in full the construction of the physical Death Star had to be initiated. While this series takes place in a more technologically sophisticated time I do feel that the initial physical construction would take some time. Furthermore when we first see the Death Star from Episode Four [A New Hope] the Death Star is fully opperational and fully staffed; which means it took some time to do the final opperation tests [to make sure everything worked(especially the laser)], and get a full crew to man and opperate the Death Star. Finally the completed Death Star was undoubtedly kept hidden and secret for a short while in order to use it as an all powerful trump card.

So in conclusion it is a decent time to introduce the Death Star plans in Episode Two. The time span between then and Episode Four is sufficient with the Deth Star's "life time". As for the origonal question/statment, if the Death Star is shown in Episode Three it should be in a partial construction phase like the second Death Star in Episode Six [Return of the Jedi].

P.S. Also [for those of you who have not seen it already] if you want a very funny theory on the second Death Star watch the film Clerks by Kevin Smith!

[Minielin]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Why? Because it is presented in Episode 4 as something new, something original, and that wouldn't have been the case if it had been around for or twenty or forty years before that.

Originally Posted by Halbarad of the Dunedain

Finally the completed Death Star was undoubtedly kept hidden and secret for a short while in order to use it as an all powerful trump card.

Maybe I'm just tired and missing blatant meanings (and will undoubtedly be embarrassed when I'm set right), but are you two making the same point and interpreting it differently?

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

Originally Posted by Minielin

Maybe I'm just tired and missing blatant meanings (and will undoubtedly be embarrassed when I'm set right), but are you two making the same point and interpreting it differently?

It's not exactly the same point, and not exactly not the same point. What he was trying to say[ to my understanding, correct me if I am wrong Way.] is that the Death Star would not be finished and should not be seen or previewed in Star Wars Episode 3 [Revenge of the Sith]. I am saying that the Death Star will not be finished but will probably be prevewed in some way in EP3.

[mithrand1r]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

I don't.

Why? Because it is presented in Episode 4 as something new, something original, and that wouldn't have been the case if it had been around for or twenty or forty years before that.

I agree Wayfarer. They should not show construction begining on a death star in Ep. 3.

If my understanding of the timeline is correct, it is at least 20-25 years between Ep. 3 and Ep.4.

If we can use the second death star has an estimate for time of construction, I would say a death star can be completed in about 1-2 years.

At most, they could just hint at the death star as a secret project. Maybe have it as something in the background.

[me9996]

Originally Posted by mithrand1r

I agree Wayfarer. They should not show construction begining on a death star in Ep. 3.

If my understanding of the timeline is correct, it is at least 20-25 years between Ep. 3 and Ep.4.

If we can use the second death star has an estimate for time of construction, I would say a death star can be completed in about 1-2 years.

At most, they could just hint at the death star as a secret project. Maybe have it as something in the background.

What I ment was that if there was no-
Oops, time to go!

[Lief Erikson]

Originally Posted by mithrand1r

I agree Wayfarer. They should not show construction begining on a death star in Ep. 3.

If my understanding of the timeline is correct, it is at least 20-25 years between Ep. 3 and Ep.4.

If we can use the second death star has an estimate for time of construction, I would say a death star can be completed in about 1-2 years.

At most, they could just hint at the death star as a secret project. Maybe have it as something in the background.

There isn't likely to be any hinting about the Death Star being a secret project. They already did that in "Attack of the Clones"; it would be redundant to have the same thing in both. I feel that they will show the beginning of the construction.

One point I would like to make is that there is a significant amount of time between Episodes 4 and 5. Their base on Yavin 4 was attacked and evacuated. Han went to Ord Mandel with Leia during that period. A new major Rebel instillation was prepared on Hoth. Perhaps it existed before, but even if it did, they would have had to expand on it in order to make it capable of being the main headquarters for the Rebel Alliance. Several things happened. I don't know how long this period was; my Star Wars timeline is lost somewhere in the attic. If only someone showed up who had a timeline, that would really solve some of these problems .

The Empire was trying to develop a secret battlestation. Their project was huge, and they probably had to work around the Imperial Senate. That would be a bit of a challenge. With the Second Death Star, dictatorships were in order rather then beaurocracies. That would doubtless have simplified things a lot.

The Imperial workers were under more pressure to move fast with the second Death Star. While in Episode 4 there are no indications of people being under serious pressure to build fast, in Episode 6 there are many such indications. The commander's statements, "my men are working as fast as they can," and his visible fear, are all evidences of the pressure and fear he and his men were under.

My main argument for their being able to construct the first Death Star more swiftly though will wait till my next post . . .

[Lief Erikson]

My main point is the technology. With the first Death Star, the technology would have been entirely new. They would have had to develop entirely new machines to develop pieces of equipment that had never been constructed before. Thousands of new instruments and technologies had to be put into place and fitted together. Thousands and thousands. It's an extremely difficult job. The prototype of anything is longer then the one that follows. With the second Death Star, the technology was there. It had already been created, been implemented. Shortcuts could be taken. The process was known. The machines that made these utterly new pieces already existed and could easily be reactivated to start a new Death Star. It's just an incredibly different job, moving from a completely new, impossibly intricate piece of technology, to repeating a job that had already been done. Obviously the second one was more powerful, more accurate. The technology for the superlaser had been enhanced over those 25 or so years. But the primary item was not changed.

[Bombadillo]

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

There isn't likely to be any hinting about the Death Star being a secret project. They already did that in "Attack of the Clones"; it would be redundant to have the same thing in both. I feel that they will show the beginning of the construction.

I hope they show it! And the Imperial March better be playing louder and more gloriously than ever!

At some point in the movie, they should definately blast the Imperial March. It's all about the federation and the sith rising to power anyway.

Leif, you make a lot of good points about how Death Star II was assembled more quickly. And I found I downloadable timeline here but it's too late on a schoolnight for me to look for the info.

[Halbarad of the Dunedain]

"From the bridge of a star destroyer, two Sith Lords stand with a sector governor named Tarkin and survey the growing skeleton of a spherical battle station the size of a moon..." ~ An exerpt from the book STAR WARS: Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover.

So it would seem that the Death Star will be making its apperance in Episode III, at the very end for a few seconds. This incident, in the book, is on the last page, nearly the last paragraph.

[Lief Erikson]

How is it that a book of Episode III is out before the movie?

[me9996]

Originally Posted by Elessar the Elfstone

do you think the Death Star will feature in any way in episode III? because we saw the plans for it in AOTC so what will we se in ROTS

If not this will be anyoying.

P.S.
First 90 second rule gripe on this tread!
I don't like the 90 second rule but it has a worthy purpas