Hobbit and Dwarf unions possible?

afro-elf · 04-24-2003, 01:13 AM

Not that that could produce offspring, but it just seems like the most likely unions between the free peoples.

Wayfarer · 04-24-2003, 01:22 AM

I don't think there would be a union unless there was the chance of producing offspring. But it's... possible.

afro-elf · 04-24-2003, 01:24 AM

They might get married for love but not be able to produce offspring being of difference species.

Wayfarer · 04-24-2003, 01:28 AM

*has 'mule' thoughts*

Bombadillo · 04-24-2003, 01:37 AM

It depends. Both species can get pretty drunk...

***Fat middle*** · 04-24-2003, 03:17 AM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
Not that that could produce offspring, but it just seems like the most likely unions between the free peoples.

Hobbits and men is more likely, since they're the same specie.

BeardofPants · 04-24-2003, 03:24 AM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
Not that that could produce offspring, but it just seems like the most likely unions between the free peoples.

Why? They don't interact much, and they certainly don't have common interests. Gardening vs mining? I agree with Fat Middle: hobbits and men are far more likely.

afro-elf · 04-24-2003, 03:44 AM

Stoors got along well with Men

Fallohides got along well with Elves.

The Prologue to The Lord of the Rings tells us that the Harfoots dwelt in highlands and hills and had much to do with Dwarves

There is a size problem about mating between Hobbits and Men.

Their height is variable, ranging between two and four feet of our measure. A six foot man and a two foot Hobbit is a tad extreme.
A REALLY tall Hobbit and a REALLY short man maybe.

Dwarves are are not THAT much taller than Hobbits. Maybe a Dwarf/ Harfoot match?

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BeardofPants · 04-24-2003, 03:49 AM

Yeah, I know that stuff already, and I still think you're making a gigantic leap over a very very wide chasm. They don't have anything in common, and they're culturally separated. Physiologically: why would a hobbit male mate with something that has a beard when beards aren't that common an occurance within Hobbit culture? I don't think height is a good enough indicator of compatiblility. Besides, you get people marrying 4 ft midgets all the time, and I can't imagine that there would be too much of a problem in that area.

afro-elf · 04-24-2003, 03:56 AM

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They don't have anything in common, and they're culturally separated.

Well, again the only support I can give is this

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The Prologue to The Lord of the Rings tells us that the Harfoots dwelt in highlands and hills and had much to do with Dwarves

It is the MUCH TO DO WITH part that sticks out.

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: why would a hobbit male mate with something that has a beard when beards aren't that common an occurance within Hobbit culture?

I was thinking Male Dwarf/ Female Hobbit.

BeardofPants · 04-24-2003, 04:04 AM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
It is the MUCH TO DO WITH part that sticks out.

So? They were still, on the whole, culturally and physiologically separated. Sorry, but I just don't see it.

Wayfarer · 04-24-2003, 04:06 AM

Remember- Elves had 'much to do' with humans- and yet you can count on one hand the number of intermarraiges between them.

afro-elf · 04-24-2003, 04:09 AM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
So? They were still, on the whole, culturally and physiologically separated. Sorry, but I just don't see it.

Cool. So be it. I was hoping that you would reply before I left and you did.

Hey, about about 6' 2" Black guys and 5'6" NZ Chick's?
The operative phrase being NO PROGENY.

afro-elf · 04-25-2003, 01:40 AM

Guess that means no.

BerislavLopac · 04-25-2003, 02:37 AM

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Remember- Elves had 'much to do' with humans- and yet you can count on one hand the number of intermarraiges between them.

Wayfarer, you are just barely right. In Tolkien's works, there were exactly five intermarriages mentioned:

Beren vs. Lúthien
Tuor vs. Idril
Earendil vs. Elwing
Aragorn vs. Arwen
Imrazor vs. Mithrellas

And I am sure there were at least some unmentioned unions.

Berislav

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-25-2003, 09:05 AM

I thought Earendil and Elwing were both Half-elven? And that both of them chose to belong to the Firstborn?

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I was thinking Male Dwarf/ Female Hobbit.

But remember, male Hobbits don't wear beards, either. I would think it would be, if not the same, not all that different for this union.

But if it were to happen, it'd basically have to be male dwarf/female hobbit, as I think the Dwarves don't let there women travel much, do they?

But I still don't think it'd happen.

will_you_remember_me · 04-25-2003, 09:12 AM

i too am just not seeing this. hobbits remind me of children of the earth, and dwarves just go and tear it up. also hobbits are cute, dwarves are nasty. a lot of hobbit culture has to do with being accepted in their society and how would a hobbit be accepted bringing a bunch of dwarves into the Shire? people talked about Frodo and Bilbo just conversing with dwarves. think of the stir if they had married one!

***Fat middle*** · 04-25-2003, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by will_you_remember_me
a lot of hobbit culture has to do with being accepted in their society and how would a hobbit be accepted bringing a bunch of dwarves into the Shire? people talked about Frodo and Bilbo just conversing with dwarves. think of the stir if they had married one!

good point there, WYRM!

afro-elf · 04-25-2003, 09:42 AM

All points have been well taken. Thanks.

except

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dwarves are nasty

Why do you believe this?

EXCLUDING the petty Dwarves.

afro-elf · 04-25-2003, 11:15 PM

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people talked about Frodo and Bilbo just conversing with dwarves.

What is the textual basis of this? I don't recall it. It would nice if you could point it out.

04-24-2003, 01:13 AM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Hobbit and Dwarf unions possible? Not that that could produce offspring, but it just seems like the most likely unions between the free peoples. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 04-24-2003 at 01:15 AM.

04-24-2003, 01:22 AM	#2
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I don't think there would be a union unless there was the chance of producing offspring. But it's... possible. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-24-2003, 01:24 AM	#3
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	They might get married for love but not be able to produce offspring being of difference species. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-24-2003, 01:28 AM	#4
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	has 'mule' thoughts __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-24-2003, 01:37 AM	#5
Bombadillo "The Bomb" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: all over the place Posts: 1,601	It depends. Both species can get pretty drunk... __________________ Could it be that one path to enlightenment leads through insanity?

04-24-2003, 03:44 AM	#8
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Stoors got along well with Men Fallohides got along well with Elves. The Prologue to The Lord of the Rings tells us that the Harfoots dwelt in highlands and hills and had much to do with Dwarves There is a size problem about mating between Hobbits and Men. Their height is variable, ranging between two and four feet of our measure. A six foot man and a two foot Hobbit is a tad extreme. A REALLY tall Hobbit and a REALLY short man maybe. Dwarves are are not THAT much taller than Hobbits. Maybe a Dwarf/ Harfoot match? . __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-24-2003, 03:49 AM	#9
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Yeah, I know that stuff already, and I still think you're making a gigantic leap over a very very wide chasm. They don't have anything in common, and they're culturally separated. Physiologically: why would a hobbit male mate with something that has a beard when beards aren't that common an occurance within Hobbit culture? I don't think height is a good enough indicator of compatiblility. Besides, you get people marrying 4 ft midgets all the time, and I can't imagine that there would be too much of a problem in that area. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

04-24-2003, 04:06 AM	#12
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Remember- Elves had 'much to do' with humans- and yet you can count on one hand the number of intermarraiges between them. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-25-2003, 01:40 AM	#14
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Guess that means no. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-25-2003, 09:12 AM	#17
will_you_remember_me Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Shire Posts: 19	i too am just not seeing this. hobbits remind me of children of the earth, and dwarves just go and tear it up. also hobbits are cute, dwarves are nasty. a lot of hobbit culture has to do with being accepted in their society and how would a hobbit be accepted bringing a bunch of dwarves into the Shire? people talked about Frodo and Bilbo just conversing with dwarves. think of the stir if they had married one! __________________ livejournal: http://pimtook.diaryland.com website: http://pimpernel.conforums2.com

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