Gondolin

The Last Ranger · 10-18-2002, 05:20 PM

where was Gondolin, what happened, and how come i never seen it talked about? please respond ASAP

Radagast The Brown · 10-18-2002, 05:33 PM

THIS IS THE HOBBIT!!! GONDOLIN IS NOT IN THIS STORY!!!!!!!!!

nazgul prince · 10-18-2002, 07:31 PM

But the fabled blades of gondolin are in the hobbit.It was a great elven city in the first age.It was located in beleriand which sunk under the sea at the end of the first age.Turgon the high king of the noldor( High Elves, Gnomes, Deep Elves) ruled there.And he weilded the mighty Glamdring.Elrond is a decendant of him.

Lanelf · 10-18-2002, 10:58 PM

If you want to know more about Gondolin, you'll have to read the Silmarillion. There's a chapter or so about it there.
Lanelf.

Millane · 10-19-2002, 07:52 AM

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THIS IS THE HOBBIT!!! GONDOLIN IS NOT IN THIS STORY!!!!!!!!!

geez radagast get hyped up!!! hehehe

Radagast The Brown · 10-19-2002, 10:41 AM

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If you want to know more about Gondolin, you'll have to read the Silmarillion. There's a chapter or so about it there.
Lanelf.

And in UT, the part on tour. and probably in HoMe too.

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geez radagast get hyped up!!! hehehe

It's really doesn't supposed to be here. It's suppose to be in ME.

Millane · 10-19-2002, 11:05 AM

so it should Radagast but no need to lose your cool

Radagast The Brown · 10-19-2002, 11:27 AM

I didn't. I accidently pressed Caps Lock.

The Lady of Ithilien · 10-25-2002, 07:54 PM

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I didn't. I accidently pressed Caps Lock.

I LOVE the Internet!

The scene in The Hobbit where Elrond tells Gandalf and Thorin the history of the blades becomes even better after reading in other books that Elrond was himself closely descended from the King of Gondolin (Turgon). One likes to imagine that it was a more touching moment than Bilbo at that time could appreciate when Elrond handed that sword back to Gandalf.

Radagast The Brown · 11-02-2002, 09:15 AM

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originally posted by TLoI

I LOVE the Internet!

Can I ask what's the conection between the fact that you love Internet and the quote?

The Lady of Ithilien · 11-03-2002, 07:42 PM

Sure. I truly do love the Internet, where misunderstandings are sometimes very easily laid out for all to see, and so cleared up. That seemed to be a classic instance of it.

I hope my remark didn't seem personal or sarcastic, Radagast -- it wasn't meant that way at all. Perhaps I should have included the whole exchange. Sorry!

Radagast The Brown · 11-04-2002, 07:18 AM

you don't have to be sorry.

I didn't take it too hard, you know.

The Lady of Ithilien · 11-04-2002, 10:25 AM

Glad to hear it!

Eothain · 01-06-2003, 04:21 PM

It is not in the hobbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

Lefty Scaevola · 01-06-2003, 09:14 PM

It has a line or two in passing in the Hobbit. Its an ancient city during the first age duriing the Wars of the Jewels (Called Goblin wars in the Hobbit) against Morgoth. It was founded by Turgon, a price of the Noldorin exiles and people with Noldor and Sindar. It was located in a hidden valley cirlcular amists a mass of mountains which had once been a lake bed (It looks lkie and acient cladera) The a a of rocked in the center of the vally on which the city was built. It was likely the highest expresion of Elvish culture ever in Middle Earth. Morgoth captured it nearly 6500 years before the time of the Hobbit.

Shadowfax · 01-08-2003, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by Eothain
It is not in the hobbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

Wasn't that scintillating fact previously established?

Faramir Took · 01-10-2003, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
THIS IS THE HOBBIT!!! GONDOLIN IS NOT IN THIS STORY!!!!!!!!!

your wrong - gondolin is mentioned several times in the hobbit. all the swords found in the trolls lair were said to be manufactured in gondolin, and two of those swords, as you know, go on to future greatness, and orc-head cleaving.

markedel · 01-11-2003, 10:41 AM

But the real question is-since the Hobbit as not set in ME at first publishing, what was Gondolin, aside from a convinient placeholder name of course? Was it really "Gondolin" at first conception?

Radagast The Brown · 01-11-2003, 10:43 AM

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originally posted by Faramir Took
your wrong - gondolin is mentioned several times in the hobbit. all the swords found in the trolls lair were said to be manufactured in gondolin, and two of those swords, as you know, go on to future greatness, and orc-head cleaving.

I know that, but Gondolin is about 6000 years before "the hobbit". If someone wants to ask about Gondolin it should be in the Sil or ME. That's all.

Artanis · 01-11-2003, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by markedel
But the real question is-since the Hobbit as not set in ME at first publishing, what was Gondolin, aside from a convinient placeholder name of course? Was it really "Gondolin" at first conception?

Gondolin was certainly already there. Tolkien wrote a story named "The Fall of Gondolin" in 1916-17. A revised (and unfinished) version of this story is given in Unfinished Tales under the name "Of Tuor and his coming to Gondolin."

10-18-2002, 05:20 PM	#1
The Last Ranger Sapling Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10	Gondolin where was Gondolin, what happened, and how come i never seen it talked about? please respond ASAP

10-18-2002, 05:33 PM	#2
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10-18-2002, 10:58 PM	#4
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	If you want to know more about Gondolin, you'll have to read the Silmarillion. There's a chapter or so about it there. Lanelf. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

10-19-2002, 11:27 AM	#8
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I didn't. I accidently pressed Caps Lock. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

11-04-2002, 07:18 AM	#12
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	you don't have to be sorry. I didn't take it too hard, you know. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

10-18-2002, 07:31 PM	#3
nazgul prince Enting Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 58	But the fabled blades of gondolin are in the hobbit.It was a great elven city in the first age.It was located in beleriand which sunk under the sea at the end of the first age.Turgon the high king of the noldor( High Elves, Gnomes, Deep Elves) ruled there.And he weilded the mighty Glamdring.Elrond is a decendant of him.

10-19-2002, 11:05 AM	#7
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	so it should Radagast but no need to lose your cool

11-03-2002, 07:42 PM	#11
The Lady of Ithilien Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Right here in between yesterday and tomorrow. Posts: 357	Sure. I truly do love the Internet, where misunderstandings are sometimes very easily laid out for all to see, and so cleared up. That seemed to be a classic instance of it. I hope my remark didn't seem personal or sarcastic, Radagast -- it wasn't meant that way at all. Perhaps I should have included the whole exchange. Sorry!

11-04-2002, 10:25 AM	#13
The Lady of Ithilien Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Right here in between yesterday and tomorrow. Posts: 357	Glad to hear it!

01-06-2003, 04:21 PM	#14
Eothain Enting Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 73	LOTR It is not in the hobbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! __________________ Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpsting, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing? They have past like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning? Frodo lives

01-06-2003, 09:14 PM	#15
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	It has a line or two in passing in the Hobbit. Its an ancient city during the first age duriing the Wars of the Jewels (Called Goblin wars in the Hobbit) against Morgoth. It was founded by Turgon, a price of the Noldorin exiles and people with Noldor and Sindar. It was located in a hidden valley cirlcular amists a mass of mountains which had once been a lake bed (It looks lkie and acient cladera) The a a of rocked in the center of the vally on which the city was built. It was likely the highest expresion of Elvish culture ever in Middle Earth. Morgoth captured it nearly 6500 years before the time of the Hobbit. __________________ Gaius Mucius Scaevola Older, richer, and wiser than you "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor, but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, ... And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me,"

01-11-2003, 10:41 AM	#18
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	But the real question is-since the Hobbit as not set in ME at first publishing, what was Gondolin, aside from a convinient placeholder name of course? Was it really "Gondolin" at first conception? __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

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