Rebuilding the World Trade Center!

Lief Erikson · 09-09-2006, 01:53 AM

I'm opening this thread for discussion of the plans to rebuild the World Trade Center.

I personally am very excited about this. It's our way of saying that the terrorists will not have the last word, and that terrorism will not prevail. I think that that message is far more wholesome than the message that would be sent by building a memorial there. A memorial would, of course, have very positive aspects. Remembering the dead is very important. But in my view, building that would also be a message of defeat rather than victory, and that's why I prefer the construction that is going on.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5325794.stm

I'm glad they have such an emphasis on safety as well:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5282810.stm

Butterbeer · 09-09-2006, 05:02 AM

no kidding. The two towers were sadly, safety-wise rather like the Titanic.

in terms of height ...tallest in america etc .... does that large needle count?

I like the Richard Roger's 4 diamonds idea!

btw - what was that thing ...the miracle of staircase B? ..i missed that...

best, BB

p.s. you are right Lief life and the city goes on unbowed

**edit** Sir Richard Roger's - wonder's if anyone has told hector? i'll pop on over...

Spock · 09-09-2006, 11:43 AM

Fact: It took ONE year to build the empire state building.

Fact: Five years after their destruction, there is still a hole where the towers stood. They've even had to remove the 'corner stone' Pataki put there in 2004 because they still can't agree what to do. The politics, political correctness and beurocracy just shows how paralized our country as a whole is.

Huorn · 09-09-2006, 01:18 PM

Those are going to be very beautiful buildings! That Freedom Tower is going to be gorgeous. I like the biulding with the four lit diamonds too.

**Nurvingiel** · 09-09-2006, 02:53 PM

I agree with you Lief, I think it's awesome they're going to rebuild the World Trade Center! I think the building should include a memorial somewhere, because like you said, it is important to remember the dead.

Will it still be called the World Trade Center? I think that would be the best ever, because it would send the message that terrorism will not have any lasting effects on people.

Personally I don't like Freedom Tower, because it reminds me of the whole Freedome fries/Freedom toast thing.

But hey, it's your building.

Lief Erikson · 09-09-2006, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Will it still be called the World Trade Center? I think that would be the best ever, because it would send the message that terrorism will not have any lasting effects on people.

I agree. I don't know if it will be called that or not, though.

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Personally I don't like Freedom Tower, because it reminds me of the whole Freedome fries/Freedom toast thing.

But hey, it's your building.

Yeah. I very much like "Freedom Tower," because for me, the message sent through the word "freedom" isn't "toast and fries"

. Lol!

That whole Freedom fries/Freedom toast thing was just a temporary absurdity to me. I'm glad I won't be thinking of that when I hear the name "Freedom Tower."

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Originally Posted by Huorn

Those are going to be very beautiful buildings! That Freedom Tower is going to be gorgeous. I like the biulding with the four lit diamonds too.

I completely, emphatically agree, Huorn. The plans reveal a lovely, beautiful and elegant design. I love their appearance. I want to visit them, when the construction is finished.

Spock · 09-09-2006, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spock

Fact: It took ONE year to build the empire state building.

They've promised over and over; held competitions galore; and still nada!

Fact: Five years after their destruction, there is still a hole where the towers stood. They've even had to remove the 'corner stone' Pataki put there in 2004 because they still can't agree what to do. The politics, political correctness and beurocracy just shows how paralized our country as a whole is.

.....

Lief Erikson · 09-09-2006, 09:37 PM

It'll happen.

**Nurvingiel** · 09-10-2006, 01:02 AM

With the architectural plans they've made and everything Spock, I thought this was, if you'll forgive the pun, a concrete plan.

I'm sure it will get rebuilt. Who wouldn't want them rebuilt?

Though you raised a good point, why wait five years to start construction?

brownjenkins · 09-11-2006, 12:26 PM

I'd rather see a park.

I grew up in NYC when I was a kid, and that area could use some more greenery.

As far as statements go, prosperity and happiness are better statements than buildings. I'd think the dollars could probably be better spent elsewhere.

The Gaffer · 09-11-2006, 07:49 PM

Well the Empire State Building wasn't built on the site of a horrific mass murder for one thing. And it's worth taking your time to make sure you get it right.

Those designs look groovy. A park would be good too.

durinsbane2244 · 09-11-2006, 10:44 PM

............Freedom Park?

hm...i think that putting it back up is kinda saying..."yeah, bring it"...y'know, just asking for another hit...mayhaps they're waiting until this "war" on terror is over...

just a thought.

Lief Erikson · 09-12-2006, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

I'd rather see a park.

I grew up in NYC when I was a kid, and that area could use some more greenery.

As far as statements go, prosperity and happiness are better statements than buildings. I'd think the dollars could probably be better spent elsewhere.

I disagree. Buildings have a good deal of economic value, but really the symbolic value of this is extremely significant. General prosperity and happiness don't carry the same strong symbolic message that Freedom Tower does.

Establishing this tower says, "you cannot defeat us. Freedom will prevail over terrorism." That symbolic message is very significant and worthy, in my view. A park just wouldn't capture it

.

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Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

hm...i think that putting it back up is kinda saying..."yeah, bring it"...y'know, just asking for another hit...

I know it makes an appealing target, but it also is going to be one of the best protected targets there is. I posted a link earlier to the defensive measures they have, and they look good to my untrained eye.

truthiscool · 09-12-2006, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

I disagree. Buildings have a good deal of economic value, but really the symbolic value of this is extremely significant. General prosperity and happiness don't carry the same strong symbolic message that Freedom Tower does.

Establishing this tower says, "you cannot defeat us. Freedom will prevail over terrorism." That symbolic message is very significant and worthy, in my view. A park just wouldn't capture it

.

I know it makes an appealing target, but it also is going to be one of the best protected targets there is. I posted a link earlier to the defensive measures they have, and they look good to my untrained eye.

I agree that it is a sign that says we will prevail.

durinsbane2244 · 09-12-2006, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

I know it makes an appealing target, but it also is going to be one of the best protected targets there is. I posted a link earlier to the defensive measures they have, and they look good to my untrained eye.

and i'm suuuuuure those defences are invincible...

brownjenkins · 09-15-2006, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

I disagree. Buildings have a good deal of economic value, but really the symbolic value of this is extremely significant. General prosperity and happiness don't carry the same strong symbolic message that Freedom Tower does.

Establishing this tower says, "you cannot defeat us. Freedom will prevail over terrorism." That symbolic message is very significant and worthy, in my view. A park just wouldn't capture it

.

I disagree.

I think symbolically it puts materialism over human life, exactly what our enemies are accusing us of. If you wanted a symbolic message, put up a monument like the Statue of Liberty.

The idea that they could ever defeat us is ubsurd. Don't give the enemy credit they do not deserve. Let's remember, for all it's symbolic impact, 9/11 only killed a few thousand people, which pales in comparision to the amount of our enemies we have killed.

We should do what is best for NYC. What is best for that particular location in NYC. And, even economically, another huge skyscraper is not best.

Spock · 09-15-2006, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

I disagree.......................................... ..........
We should do what is best for NYC. What is best for that particular location in NYC. And, even economically, another huge skyscraper is not best.

You have some points, however, what's best for NY? I don't think so.

Your city permitted five of the hijackers to leave from Logan.

***Earniel*** · 09-15-2006, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

And, even economically, another huge skyscraper is not best.

Really? I was under the impression they could really do with the office space a skyscraper would provide.

Spock · 09-16-2006, 10:50 AM

NYC has enough office space as it is. A modest plan for the WTC would do honor without creating a target.

Lief Erikson · 09-16-2006, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

I disagree.

I think symbolically it puts materialism over human life, exactly what our enemies are accusing us of. If you wanted a symbolic message, put up a monument like the Statue of Liberty.

The idea that they could ever defeat us is ubsurd. Don't give the enemy credit they do not deserve. Let's remember, for all it's symbolic impact, 9/11 only killed a few thousand people, which pales in comparision to the amount of our enemies we have killed.

We should do what is best for NYC. What is best for that particular location in NYC. And, even economically, another huge skyscraper is not best.

I've changed my mind and I agree with you.

09-09-2006, 01:53 AM	#1
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	Rebuilding the World Trade Center! I'm opening this thread for discussion of the plans to rebuild the World Trade Center. I personally am very excited about this. It's our way of saying that the terrorists will not have the last word, and that terrorism will not prevail. I think that that message is far more wholesome than the message that would be sent by building a memorial there. A memorial would, of course, have very positive aspects. Remembering the dead is very important. But in my view, building that would also be a message of defeat rather than victory, and that's why I prefer the construction that is going on. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5325794.stm I'm glad they have such an emphasis on safety as well: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5282810.stm __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do."

09-09-2006, 05:02 AM	#2
Butterbeer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: here and there Posts: 3,514	no kidding. The two towers were sadly, safety-wise rather like the Titanic. in terms of height ...tallest in america etc .... does that large needle count? I like the Richard Roger's 4 diamonds idea! btw - what was that thing ...the miracle of staircase B? ..i missed that... best, BB p.s. you are right Lief life and the city goes on unbowed edit Sir Richard Roger's - wonder's if anyone has told hector? i'll pop on over... Last edited by Butterbeer : 09-09-2006 at 05:03 AM.

09-09-2006, 11:43 AM	#3
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Fact: It took ONE year to build the empire state building. Fact: Five years after their destruction, there is still a hole where the towers stood. They've even had to remove the 'corner stone' Pataki put there in 2004 because they still can't agree what to do. The politics, political correctness and beurocracy just shows how paralized our country as a whole is. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

09-09-2006, 01:18 PM	#4
Huorn Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fangorn's Treeherd Posts: 393	Those are going to be very beautiful buildings! That Freedom Tower is going to be gorgeous. I like the biulding with the four lit diamonds too. __________________ Silver Valley Oak As for me and my house we will serve the LORD Just call me Oakie

09-09-2006, 09:37 PM	#8
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	It'll happen. __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do."

09-11-2006, 12:26 PM	#10
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	I'd rather see a park. I grew up in NYC when I was a kid, and that area could use some more greenery. As far as statements go, prosperity and happiness are better statements than buildings. I'd think the dollars could probably be better spent elsewhere. __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

09-11-2006, 07:49 PM	#11
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Well the Empire State Building wasn't built on the site of a horrific mass murder for one thing. And it's worth taking your time to make sure you get it right. Those designs look groovy. A park would be good too.

09-11-2006, 10:44 PM	#12
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	............Freedom Park? hm...i think that putting it back up is kinda saying..."yeah, bring it"...y'know, just asking for another hit...mayhaps they're waiting until this "war" on terror is over... just a thought. __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

09-16-2006, 10:50 AM	#19
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	NYC has enough office space as it is. A modest plan for the WTC would do honor without creating a target. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

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