Did you know that...

Finrod Felagund · 05-02-2002, 08:35 AM

...Frodo was originally named Bingo and was to be Bilbo's son?

...The creature which Gandaf fought on the bridge of Khazad-Dum was originally to be a black rider

...In the War Of The Ring Lorien was originally going to be razed and Celeborn with some of his people would escape to Mirkwood while Galadriel would disappear (taken, killed or hidden)?

...Treebeard was originally evil and was the one who made Gandalf late by capturing him, before Saruman was in existence?

...Later in the story's development, after Saruman replaced the evil Treebeard, Treebeard was supposed to save Merry and Pippin and come break the seige of Minas Tirith?

***azalea*** · 05-02-2002, 08:55 AM

Wow, that would have been quite a different story!

StrawberryIcecream · 05-02-2002, 12:00 PM

I KNEW treebeard was evil!!!!!!!

I believe Bingo Baggins is the first Baggins actually (on the family tree anyway)

Elvet · 05-02-2002, 12:34 PM

I have just finished Return of the Shadow and Treason of Isenguard. I'm at the beginning of The War of the Ring. It really could have been a different story. I'd like to know when Trotter changes to Strider. Still haven't reached that point yet.

Radagast The Brown · 05-02-2002, 01:53 PM

That amazing!!!!! didn't think even in my worse dreams that Treebeard is evel!!!(even if he isn't, just suppose to be)....

Arathorn · 05-02-2002, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by StrawberryIcecream
I KNEW treebeard was evil!!!!!!!

I believe Bingo Baggins is the first Baggins actually (on the family tree anyway)

I'd expect that from a veggie like yourself.

Elf Girl · 05-02-2002, 03:23 PM

*imagines Gandalf falling into a black pit with a Nazgul* I like it a lot better as it is!

Wulažg · 05-02-2002, 04:12 PM

Treebeard was supposed to be a giant instead of an Ent too, I think.

Radagast The Brown · 05-04-2002, 02:47 PM

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*imagines Gandalf falling into a black pit with a Nazgul* I like it a lot better as it is!

I think the Nazgul is better to this part. It will be cool! think on it... yup, it is better then a balrog!!!!

Comic Book Guy · 05-04-2002, 05:28 PM

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I think the Nazgul is better to this part. It will be cool! think on it... yup, it is better then a balrog!!!!

Tolkien obviously didn't think it was better to the part. It will be cool?

Laredith · 05-04-2002, 09:09 PM

hmmm... I think that the Balrog is scarrier

cassiopeia · 05-05-2002, 01:52 AM

It cracks me up that Strider was orignally going to be called trotter!
A balrog is much better than a black rider, cause Gandalf would have beaten him easily. But then there would be no debate as to whether Balrogs have wings.

Elf Girl · 05-05-2002, 08:02 AM

The wingless balrog is better, because we know nothing about him, don't know what to expect. We have learned a lot about Nazgul already.

Radagast The Brown · 05-05-2002, 02:22 PM

I have a question- who is stronger, a balrog or one of the Nazgul?

Renille · 05-05-2002, 02:50 PM

Good question.It depends on certain things though. One nazgul on its own, without cloak, sword, horse, etc. is virtually crippled and relitively harmless. A balrog on its own, without any help from anything else is still pretty powerful. But a geared-up-Nazgul can inflict very serious, deathly damage on anyone's physical and emotional state. Plus balrogs don't get out much. Ha, now I can't make a desicion! Sorry.

Radagast The Brown · 05-05-2002, 02:59 PM

umm... but without his weapon the balrog wouldn't loose the battle in Moria and Gandalf was alive.

Nazgûl Queen · 05-06-2002, 02:37 AM

There's no competition... We Nazgul may be extremely powerful but we are merely humans enhanced with a small part of Sauron's power...
While the Balrog's are Maia, the same race as Sauron, and too strong to be subservient to him...

Finrod Felagund · 05-06-2002, 09:26 AM

...Originally, Strider, (then called Trotter) was a Hobbit who wore wooden shoes

Elf Girl · 05-07-2002, 06:39 AM

Noooo.... I like it a LOT better as it is!

Nazgul queen is right. The balrogs are waaaaaaay more powerful than the Nazgul.

Finrod Felagund · 05-07-2002, 08:45 AM

Yeah no kidding, I mean hello, Maiar versus man, hmmm, I never heard of a human killing a Balrog not even Hurin or Turin, elves yes (Ecthelion, Rog, Glorfindel), men no...

05-02-2002, 08:35 AM	#1
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	Did you know that... ...Frodo was originally named Bingo and was to be Bilbo's son? ...The creature which Gandaf fought on the bridge of Khazad-Dum was originally to be a black rider ...In the War Of The Ring Lorien was originally going to be razed and Celeborn with some of his people would escape to Mirkwood while Galadriel would disappear (taken, killed or hidden)? ...Treebeard was originally evil and was the one who made Gandalf late by capturing him, before Saruman was in existence? ...Later in the story's development, after Saruman replaced the evil Treebeard, Treebeard was supposed to save Merry and Pippin and come break the seige of Minas Tirith? __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!" Last edited by Finrod Felagund : 05-02-2002 at 08:36 AM.

05-02-2002, 12:00 PM	#3
StrawberryIcecream Elf Lord Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In my jeans Posts: 915	I KNEW treebeard was evil!!!!!!! I believe Bingo Baggins is the first Baggins actually (on the family tree anyway) __________________ www.foolofatook.com for all you pippin's out there.

05-02-2002, 12:34 PM	#4
Elvet Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Orillia, Ontario Posts: 221	I have just finished Return of the Shadow and Treason of Isenguard. I'm at the beginning of The War of the Ring. It really could have been a different story. I'd like to know when Trotter changes to Strider. Still haven't reached that point yet. __________________ "But do not despise the lore that has come down from distant years; for oft it may chance that old wives keep in memory word of things that once were needful for the wise to know."

05-02-2002, 01:53 PM	#5
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	That amazing!!!!! didn't think even in my worse dreams that Treebeard is evel!!!(even if he isn't, just suppose to be).... __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

05-02-2002, 03:23 PM	#7
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	imagines Gandalf falling into a black pit with a Nazgul I like it a lot better as it is! __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

05-02-2002, 08:55 AM	#2
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Wow, that would have been quite a different story!

05-02-2002, 04:12 PM	#8
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	Treebeard was supposed to be a giant instead of an Ent too, I think.

05-04-2002, 09:09 PM	#11
Laredith Enting Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gondor...no seriously, I do. Posts: 64	hmmm... I think that the Balrog is scarrier __________________ "You're rum little creatures, you humans." --Bree, from HHB ohh...and by the way... FRODO LIVES!!!

05-05-2002, 01:52 AM	#12
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	It cracks me up that Strider was orignally going to be called trotter! A balrog is much better than a black rider, cause Gandalf would have beaten him easily. But then there would be no debate as to whether Balrogs have wings. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

05-05-2002, 08:02 AM	#13
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	The wingless balrog is better, because we know nothing about him, don't know what to expect. We have learned a lot about Nazgul already. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

05-05-2002, 02:22 PM	#14
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I have a question- who is stronger, a balrog or one of the Nazgul? __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

05-05-2002, 02:50 PM	#15
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	Good question.It depends on certain things though. One nazgul on its own, without cloak, sword, horse, etc. is virtually crippled and relitively harmless. A balrog on its own, without any help from anything else is still pretty powerful. But a geared-up-Nazgul can inflict very serious, deathly damage on anyone's physical and emotional state. Plus balrogs don't get out much. Ha, now I can't make a desicion! Sorry. __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

05-05-2002, 02:59 PM	#16
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	umm... but without his weapon the balrog wouldn't loose the battle in Moria and Gandalf was alive. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

05-06-2002, 02:37 AM	#17
Nazgûl Queen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 400	There's no competition... We Nazgul may be extremely powerful but we are merely humans enhanced with a small part of Sauron's power... While the Balrog's are Maia, the same race as Sauron, and too strong to be subservient to him... __________________ Morauko Umrien, Queen of the Nazgûl and Lady of Mordor Mistress of the Night The Nazgûl Queen she was, the Ringwraith, the enemy's most terrible servant; darkness went with her and she cried with the voices of death. Can be found loitering at Fantasy Essentials or her livejournal...

05-06-2002, 09:26 AM	#18
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	...Originally, Strider, (then called Trotter) was a Hobbit who wore wooden shoes __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!"

05-07-2002, 06:39 AM	#19
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Noooo.... I like it a LOT better as it is! Nazgul queen is right. The balrogs are waaaaaaay more powerful than the Nazgul. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

05-07-2002, 08:45 AM	#20
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	Yeah no kidding, I mean hello, Maiar versus man, hmmm, I never heard of a human killing a Balrog not even Hurin or Turin, elves yes (Ecthelion, Rog, Glorfindel), men no... __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!" Last edited by Finrod Felagund : 05-07-2002 at 08:46 AM.