Tater and Catholics...

Radagast · 06-13-2002, 02:55 PM

I have noticed, in his many posts, that Tater seems to have some emnity for Catholics (I'm an agnostic so I really am just curious), so why is that?

jerseydevil · 06-13-2002, 03:08 PM

I don't think he likes organized religion in general. When it comes to the Catholic Religion - he I thnk he feels it "hijacked" Christianity and converted it to it's own ends. But really - what religion hasn't been converted either by politics, within or from the practicioners?

Of course Tater will have to speak for himself.

BeardofPants · 06-13-2002, 03:50 PM

That's strange. Of all the organised religions, Catholicism is the one I have the least problems with. 'Cept for the bits about birth control and stuff. I mean, they're pretty good about science, evolution, etc.

Darth Tater · 06-13-2002, 05:14 PM

Aw, you noticed!

I have lots of issues, most with American Catholics. In general they tend to know very little about the history of their religion, thinking they're the original Christian church and stuff like that. They actually broke of from the Christian church in 1054 AD. Also, after Vatican's 1 and 2 they are basically a new age religion, considering they changed so much of the dogma of their religion. Oh, and there's also the fact that I live in Boston, pedophile priest capital of the world.

Wayfarer · 06-13-2002, 05:35 PM

Well, tater... I can't disagree there.

So why the preference for the KJV translation of the bible?

jerseydevil · 06-13-2002, 05:40 PM

I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic schools all my life. One thing - at least the Catholic Church, at least in New Jersey. is more accepting of other's beliefs than the many other Christian religions I encountered in the Midwest. But in New Jersey - the Catholic schools teach sex ed, including the use of birth control, evolution, etc.

Wayfarer · 06-13-2002, 05:59 PM

Catholicism has no backbone, if that's what you mean by tolerance.

And before you object... what do you say about an institution that can't even bring itself to put it's foot down on child molestors?

jerseydevil · 06-13-2002, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
Catholicism has no backbone, if that's what you mean by tolerance.

And before you object... what do you say about an institution that can't even bring itself to put it's foot down on child molestors?

I think it's wrong. Aslo - in terms of all the accusations - there is such thing as innocent until proven guilty. I'm not saying that all of the priests are innocent or even that majority that are accused of this crime. But right now - I'm wondering how mnay people are just trying to get on the money band wagon, how much is the media running with a sensational story, and how much of it is a down right witch hunt.

But I dont believe in god - so the mythical belief in religion makes as much sense as the Romans and Greeks with their gods.

Religions change and evolve over time - just like everything else in this world. That's why their are even different sects of Judaism.

Finmandos · 06-13-2002, 06:20 PM

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But I dont believe in god - so the mythical belief in religion makes as much sense as the Romans and Greeks with their gods.

Oh come on. Even if you don't believe in Christianity, you have to know it makes more since than most other religions.

BeardofPants · 06-13-2002, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by Finmandos

Oh come on. Even if you don't believe in Christianity, you have to know it makes more since than most other religions.

Are you pushing your subjective beliefs onto other people in your first post? You're brave.

jerseydevil · 06-13-2002, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by Finmandos

Oh come on. Even if you don't believe in Christianity, you have to know it makes more since than most other religions.

Why does it make more sense than other religions?

Wayfarer · 06-13-2002, 06:24 PM

Sometimes I think Humanism is the worst of all.

But like tater said, the mystical cast that catholicism has taken on is one of it's most destructive traits.

Christianity is inherently anti-mystical. Its message is brief and straightforward, and often painfully blunt. So humans add and remove things to try and make it more attractive, not realizing that this cripples the believers.

noldo · 06-13-2002, 06:25 PM

Religion in itself is a whole lot of bull... Whether Christian, Islamic or Buddhist... I wouldn't go shouting out that Christianity is the most "rational" in all it's mythology etc...

BeardofPants · 06-13-2002, 06:27 PM

Buddhism is hardly a religion, and I'd rather be a humanist than a fundie. Oh wait, I AM a humanist.

Finmandos · 06-13-2002, 06:29 PM

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Religion in itself is a whole lot of bull... Whether Christian, Islamic or Buddhist... I wouldn't go shouting out that Christianity is the most "rational" in all it's mythology etc...

Everyone has a religion. Whether's its worship of a god, worship of self, worship of money, worship of success... Religion is what you try to follow.

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I wouldn't go shouting out that Christianity is the most "rational" in all. it's mythology etc...[/

Why? Is that intolerant (a word thats always apllied to Christians)? I have proof to back up my claim.

jerseydevil · 06-13-2002, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Finmandos

Why? Is that intolerant (a word thats always apllied to Christians)? I have proof to back up my claim.

What proof? Religion isn't based on proof - it's based on belief and faith. You're belief differs from other's. Islam feels that they're the "right" religion. Judaism beleives it the "right" religion. It amazed me in Indiana when Lutherans would argue that Jesus didn't really turn water into wine like it says in the Bible it was really grape juice. Of course they say this because they don't really approve of drinking.

BeardofPants · 06-13-2002, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Finmandos
Everyone has a religion. Whether's its worship of a god, worship of self, worship of money, worship of success... Religion is what you try to follow.

No they don't. I practice non-religion. In other words, NO BELIEF SYSTEM. Or atheism. I think the word you're thinking of is ideology. Everyone has an ideology; religion OTOH... nuts to you.

noldo · 06-13-2002, 06:39 PM

Oki, not another religion thingy people... Let's talk about Tater now.

Finmandos · 06-13-2002, 06:41 PM

Ideology- a set of beliefs, values, and opinions that shapes the way an individual or a group such as a social class thinks, acts, and understands the world

Religion- set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by

Encarta® World English Dictionary [North American Edition] © & (P) 2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Those are pretty similar, aren't they?

So, if you're atheist, you have a religion/ideolgy that shapes the way you think and act.

jerseydevil · 06-13-2002, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by Finmandos
Ideology- a set of beliefs, values, and opinions that shapes the way an individual or a group such as a social class thinks, acts, and understands the world

Religion- set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by

Encarta® World English Dictionary [North American Edition] © & (P) 2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Those are pretty similar, aren't they?

So, if you're atheist, you have a religion/ideolgy that shapes the way you think and act.

Well that's your problem - do you REALLY think you can trust the Microsoft Corp???

Random House Webster's Dictionary
Religion: an institutionalized system of religious beliefs and worship.

Atheism isn't an institutionalized belief.

06-13-2002, 02:55 PM	#1
Radagast Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Merry old England Posts: 413	Tater and Catholics... I have noticed, in his many posts, that Tater seems to have some emnity for Catholics (I'm an agnostic so I really am just curious), so why is that? __________________ Take up the White Man's burden-- The savage wars of peace-- Fill full the mouth of Famine, And bid the sickness cease; And when your goal is nearest (The end for others sought) Watch sloth and heathen folly Bring all your hope to nought.

06-13-2002, 03:08 PM	#2
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	I don't think he likes organized religion in general. When it comes to the Catholic Religion - he I thnk he feels it "hijacked" Christianity and converted it to it's own ends. But really - what religion hasn't been converted either by politics, within or from the practicioners? Of course Tater will have to speak for himself. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

06-13-2002, 03:50 PM	#3
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	That's strange. Of all the organised religions, Catholicism is the one I have the least problems with. 'Cept for the bits about birth control and stuff. I mean, they're pretty good about science, evolution, etc. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

06-13-2002, 05:14 PM	#4
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	Aw, you noticed! I have lots of issues, most with American Catholics. In general they tend to know very little about the history of their religion, thinking they're the original Christian church and stuff like that. They actually broke of from the Christian church in 1054 AD. Also, after Vatican's 1 and 2 they are basically a new age religion, considering they changed so much of the dogma of their religion. Oh, and there's also the fact that I live in Boston, pedophile priest capital of the world. __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

06-13-2002, 05:35 PM	#5
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Well, tater... I can't disagree there. So why the preference for the KJV translation of the bible? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

06-13-2002, 05:40 PM	#6
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic schools all my life. One thing - at least the Catholic Church, at least in New Jersey. is more accepting of other's beliefs than the many other Christian religions I encountered in the Midwest. But in New Jersey - the Catholic schools teach sex ed, including the use of birth control, evolution, etc. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 06-13-2002 at 05:44 PM.

06-13-2002, 05:59 PM	#7
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Catholicism has no backbone, if that's what you mean by tolerance. And before you object... what do you say about an institution that can't even bring itself to put it's foot down on child molestors? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

06-13-2002, 06:24 PM	#12
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Sometimes I think Humanism is the worst of all. But like tater said, the mystical cast that catholicism has taken on is one of it's most destructive traits. Christianity is inherently anti-mystical. Its message is brief and straightforward, and often painfully blunt. So humans add and remove things to try and make it more attractive, not realizing that this cripples the believers. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned Last edited by Wayfarer : 06-13-2002 at 06:28 PM.

06-13-2002, 06:25 PM	#13
noldo Elven Icon Maker Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Finland Posts: 517	Religion in itself is a whole lot of bull... Whether Christian, Islamic or Buddhist... I wouldn't go shouting out that Christianity is the most "rational" in all it's mythology etc... __________________ "I can't even think straight!" "Orange is the new pink, and men are the new women."

06-13-2002, 06:27 PM	#14
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Buddhism is hardly a religion, and I'd rather be a humanist than a fundie. Oh wait, I AM a humanist. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

06-13-2002, 06:39 PM	#18
noldo Elven Icon Maker Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Finland Posts: 517	Oki, not another religion thingy people... Let's talk about Tater now. __________________ "I can't even think straight!" "Orange is the new pink, and men are the new women."

06-13-2002, 06:41 PM	#19
Finmandos Sapling Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 9	Ideology- a set of beliefs, values, and opinions that shapes the way an individual or a group such as a social class thinks, acts, and understands the world Religion- set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by Encarta® World English Dictionary [North American Edition] © & (P) 2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Those are pretty similar, aren't they? So, if you're atheist, you have a religion/ideolgy that shapes the way you think and act.