Valinor to Middle-Earth, did the elves change!

03-09-2001, 02:08 PM

In LOTR it is said that Glorfindel shows the power he had in Valinor when frightening (if thats possible) the Nazgul at the ford of Rivendell. What is that supposed to mean because in the Sil. it doesn't say anything about the elves changing when the Noldor came to middle-earth.

What do you think ????

03-09-2001, 04:22 PM

The Elves who dwelt in Valinor were nurtured by the Valar so that they reached their full potential.

The Nazgul were scared of Glorfindel because he was so powerful and they obviously knew of his reputation ( He killed a Balrog although he too died )

Twista · 01-19-2004, 06:12 PM

Was it not the Balrog whom slayed him?

Lefty Scaevola · 01-19-2004, 11:18 PM

Glorfindal and a Balrog killed each other during the escape from the sack of Gondolin in the first age. Glorfindal's spirit was purged realtively quickly in Mandos and he was re-embodied sooner than most of the elves killed in the War of the Jewels. The purging apparently made his spirit more capable of taking lessons and pesonnal deveopment from the Powers in Valinor, and he returen to ME during the 2nd age, substantially more powerful than he was before.

Durin1 · 01-21-2004, 10:38 AM

Tolkien mentions, via Gandalf to Frodo, that Glorfindel showed how he was on the "other side". Both a part of ME in physical form and as a representative of the "light" that pervades around Aman.

Don't forget that it is also mentioned that it showed a great Elf-Lord in his wrath.

Fingolfin has a similar demeanor when he goes to challenge Morgoth in single combat.

You don't want to mess with an Elf from Aman when he is seriously p****d off!

Dúnedain · 01-21-2004, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Durin1
Tolkien mentions, via Gandalf to Frodo, that Glorfindel showed how he was on the "other side". Both a part of ME in physical form and as a representative of the "light" that pervades around Aman.

Don't forget that it is also mentioned that it showed a great Elf-Lord in his wrath.

Fingolfin has a similar demeanor when he goes to challenge Morgoth in single combat.

You don't want to mess with an Elf from Aman when he is seriously p****d off!

Yeah, that description of Fingolfin is one of my favorite things Tolkien wrote:

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...and filled with wrath and despair he mounted upon Rochallor his great horse and rode forth alone, and none might restrain him. He passed over Dor-nu-Fauglith like a wind amid the dust, and all that beheld his onset fled in amaze, thinking that Oromë himself was come: for a great madness of rage was upon him, so that his eyes shone like the eyes of the Valar.

ethuiliel · 01-28-2004, 04:50 PM

I think that Glorfindel didn't change when he came from Valinor to Middle-earth, but did change when he went from Middle-earth to Valinor. The changes that happened in Valinor made him more powerful. I think that there is something about Valinor that has an affect on people, especially Elves.

Thorin II · 01-28-2004, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by Durin1
Tolkien mentions, via Gandalf to Frodo, that Glorfindel showed how he was on the "other side". Both a part of ME in physical form and as a representative of the "light" that pervades around Aman.

That's what I understood it to mean, too. The Elves don't change when they go to Middle-Earth, but their auras are generally invisible.

ethuiliel · 01-28-2004, 10:48 PM

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That's what I understood it to mean, too. The Elves don't change when they go to Middle-Earth, but their auras are generally invisible.

That sounds about right. I didn't know how to word it, but that's exactly what I meant.

03-09-2001, 02:08 PM	#1
Fuor Guest Posts: n/a	Valinor to Middle-Earth, did the elves change! In LOTR it is said that Glorfindel shows the power he had in Valinor when frightening (if thats possible) the Nazgul at the ford of Rivendell. What is that supposed to mean because in the Sil. it doesn't say anything about the elves changing when the Noldor came to middle-earth. What do you think ????

03-09-2001, 04:22 PM	#2
Captain Stern Guest Posts: n/a	I think you just misunderstood The Elves who dwelt in Valinor were nurtured by the Valar so that they reached their full potential. The Nazgul were scared of Glorfindel because he was so powerful and they obviously knew of his reputation ( He killed a Balrog although he too died )

01-19-2004, 06:12 PM	#3
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01-21-2004, 10:38 AM	#5
Durin1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 221	Tolkien mentions, via Gandalf to Frodo, that Glorfindel showed how he was on the "other side". Both a part of ME in physical form and as a representative of the "light" that pervades around Aman. Don't forget that it is also mentioned that it showed a great Elf-Lord in his wrath. Fingolfin has a similar demeanor when he goes to challenge Morgoth in single combat. You don't want to mess with an Elf from Aman when he is seriously p****d off! __________________ Durin the Sleepless!

01-28-2004, 04:50 PM	#7
ethuiliel Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: USA until I find a way to get to Middle Earth Posts: 681	I think that Glorfindel didn't change when he came from Valinor to Middle-earth, but did change when he went from Middle-earth to Valinor. The changes that happened in Valinor made him more powerful. I think that there is something about Valinor that has an affect on people, especially Elves. __________________ "...but I love not the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend: the city of the Men of Numenor." "'I would,' said Faramir. And he took her in his arms and kissed her under the sunlit sky, and he cared not that they stood high upon the walls in the sight of many. And many indeed saw them and the light that shone about them as they came down from the walls and went hand in hand to the Houses of Healing."

01-19-2004, 11:18 PM	#4
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	Glorfindal and a Balrog killed each other during the escape from the sack of Gondolin in the first age. Glorfindal's spirit was purged realtively quickly in Mandos and he was re-embodied sooner than most of the elves killed in the War of the Jewels. The purging apparently made his spirit more capable of taking lessons and pesonnal deveopment from the Powers in Valinor, and he returen to ME during the 2nd age, substantially more powerful than he was before.

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