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When an oath is not an oath!
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Would have the proud Maedhros, gone back on his word then? Would many evils would have prevented? Or was the pride of the Sons of Fëanor too much for them to go back on their word? Che pensi tu?
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Agreed. Only the Valar could release them from the Oath.
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Yeah, but when Maglor and Maehros discuss what to do at the end of the Last Battle, wouldn't Maglor have a new argument? Perhaps Maedhros would have listened to him if Fëanor had "released" them before he died (he couldn't actually release them, but he could say that it was ok for them to break it....)
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But even Maedhros percieved at the end that he had lost the right to the SIlmarils, and that the oath was worthless.
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I think some would have found it a relief, or at least have thought it best (to break it), but the others would have thought it best to keep it, in which case the others would probably feel there was no choice but to help their brethrin, and so things would have turned out silmarilly. ( )
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I'd just like to mention a 'historical' thing: In the first versions of the Silmarillion, the 'Sketch' and earlier 'Quenta Noldorinwa', it is Maedhros who wants to give up the oath and seek pardon of the Valar in Valinor, and Maglor who denies it. It's in the later version of the Quenta that their roles are switched to be consistent with the published Silmarillion. Funny little detail, I think.
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What would have happened if Maedhros (in the Silm) had got it his way? Would they have began to cause trouble in Valinor? Would the oath (as I believe) in the end have burned them so much that they had to do something? If so, then what would they have done? A war would be hard, since I doubt many would have followed them... And why do Maglor then say "less evil shall we do in breaking it" if they would have done evil deeds in Aman too?
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But even so, what war would they have caused in Valinor? Because of the Kinslaying at Alqualondë? There were no Silmarils in Valinor to fight over. |
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