Kids today

afro-elf · 01-20-2003, 03:49 AM

Do you think there is a problem with the kids today.

Unruly, apathy,...

is it the parents or society

or is it that kids will be kids?

Lady of Rohan · 01-20-2003, 09:15 AM

I'm still a kid and I don't think that there is any thing wrong with kids in general. Maybe only some kids are the problem.

Elf Girl · 01-20-2003, 09:29 AM

I'm 12. When I first revealed that to the people on Entmoot, they seemed to think I was 17. Go figure.

Elenka · 01-20-2003, 09:46 AM

I'm 12-going-on-22. I'll be 13/22 in March.

I think kids are a little over the edge most days, but I've never been a problem kid (something I need to change

) and I've never hung out with the problem kids, so I don't really have a sense of how bad it is.

On the other hand, I've always held the firm belief that other kids are all stupid until proven to posess a shred of inteligence.

FrodoFriend · 01-20-2003, 10:37 AM

I don't think kids are more of a problem than adults.

Elenka · 01-20-2003, 10:44 AM

Excellent point.

Dunadan · 01-20-2003, 10:47 AM

No, if there's a problem, it's with adults. These days we seem to be terrified to let kids out of our sight. We want to control their environment in a way that is both unhealthy and impossible. And in doing so, we expose them to more real sources of harm (a child is far more likely to be harmed by a member of their own family than by a stranger, etc.) and stunt their abilities to assess risk and make their own decisions.

Apathy was a problem when I was a kid in the late 70s & early 80s too. In the UK, Thatcher succeeded in terrifying an entire generation into thinking they had to toe the line or join the dole queue. But today there seems to be a new movement towards political activism (environmentalism, anti-globalisation) which is refreshing.

cheers

d.

FrodoFriend · 01-20-2003, 10:59 AM

What problems there are are found in human nature - I don't think it matters whether you are an adult or a child. Furthermore, different people become adults at different times, so it's hard to tell just where child stops and adult begins. How can you make a general statement about something like this? It's on a person-to-person basis, IMO.

Elven Archer · 01-20-2003, 11:05 AM

i think kids and teenagers today have big problems. I've seen really little kids cuss and hit people and be just really really rude. same with teenagers. Teenagers also have problems with respect to elders or anybody for that matter.more and more teenagers are dressing skimpy and trashy. lots of kids and teenagers have problems with drugs wich is really sad. there's alotmore stuff wrong with kids and teenagers but there's also alot wrong with adults like FF said. It's the parents job to raise the kid and to keep 'em on the right path but they can't do that if they're just as bad as their kids are turning out to be. also the society and media don't help any.

Celebréiel · 01-20-2003, 11:09 AM

Yeah, I generally think kids are okay. the only kids I have problems with are the ones dressing like their 23! And then when they finally grow up they realize they've wasted their childhood and get plastic surgury and botox in some attempt to regain their younger years. Or maybe im full of it...

but botox really bugs me...i think im off topic.. yeah I think adults have problems too.
~Celebréiel

FrodoFriend · 01-20-2003, 11:25 AM

I don't know, Elven Archer . . . where do you think kids learn all that stuff? From adults. So why is something worse if a kid does it than if an adult does? It sucks either way, IMO.

Besides, I'm so sick of people judging me just because I don't have the proper numbers - I'm still a thinking, rational person with a right to an opinion, who is equally to every other person on the planet.

Elf.Freak · 01-20-2003, 12:09 PM

even though i'm a kid, i think there is a problem with some kids. i mean, one girl phoned my friend, tried to disguise her voice as my best friend's, and threatened to kill her (trying to be funny).

so, i guess you see my point.

gimli-son-of-gloin13 · 01-20-2003, 04:13 PM

well with some kids its their family, if they have horrible parents and neiborhood (sp?) then they r most likely to be like that but also with some kids, in that situation, know how horrible it is to be like that so they change into a good kid but on the other hand, if they grow up in a wonderful home and everything is perfect they dont want to be like that so they "go bad" or they could just stay like that. i think it just has to do with the kid

FrodoFriend · 01-20-2003, 04:28 PM

All the psychologists in the world can't figure out the human mind. Hobbits, on the other hand . . . - relaxes under a tree and starts eating an apple - . . . are easily understood.

Huan · 01-20-2003, 06:32 PM

I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I think that both kids and adults are generally in a very sorry state here in America. We have almost ceased to have any sense of history or culture. And I do think that here in the States parents have gotten too afraid to exert any kind of control over their children. I get the impression that this thread is speaking mostly of older kids and teenagers, but parents are doing wrong by their little kids as well these days. They don't tell a little kid to stop whining, they give in to it. And they let their brats scream and yell in public rather than telling them to shut up.

Sminty_Smeagol · 01-20-2003, 08:57 PM

I think there's a lot of emphasis on youth. They're forced to grow up faster, they're the main target of lots of advertising because people know that kids are impressionable, and what's worse... they're the next generation. Kids these days have been selling in to sex a lot. So there's all this power and focus on youth...

It's like... "Live life now, before you get old and lose your vigor and shiz!" so the youth is forced in to maturing quickly and it seems they're more ornery than ever. Too much emphasis put on 13-18 year olds...

wahine · 01-20-2003, 09:05 PM

I know I am pulling a psycho-something or other hear. But it is the parents fault. The way I see it, kids don't get enough punishment, that sounds bad, but kids not only need punichment they want it. They like to knowwhen they've corssed the line. All this
"don't spank your children"
crap is the same old bull. Some parents take it to far, yes, but that doesn't mean punishment is wrong. that's where "kids" today have gone wrong.

I never got punished and look where I am.

In my living room, glued to the pc.

Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn · 01-20-2003, 09:05 PM

I think that there is some problems with kids today. I know that i have way to much stress put on me with school any parents. Kids today are more stressed a pressured than before. A study showed that the amount of stress that kids have today was the same with people who were mentally ill in the 50s..But kids are also more violent and forced to grow up to fast.

Evenstar1400 · 01-20-2003, 09:05 PM

I'm 13. i think us kids are okay, at times. the problem with us is that we never really get a chance to feel young, with all the homework and worries put on us. the issue with the US going to war freaks me out alot, and i have a friend that is paranoid about us getting bombed. we just have been through alot, and its forced us to grow up faster than we shouldhave.

Sminty_Smeagol · 01-20-2003, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wahine
I know I am pulling a psycho-something or other hear. But it is the parents fault. The way I see it, kids don't get enough punishment, that sounds bad, but kids not only need punichment they want it. They like to knowwhen they've corssed the line. All this
"don't spank your children"
crap is the same old bull. Some parents take it to far, yes, but that doesn't mean punishment is wrong. that's where "kids" today have gone wrong.

I never got punished and look where I am.

In my living room, glued to the pc.

I think it is a case-to-case scenario. Some kids are better with different ways of handling things. My parents spanked me and my brothers... it worked fine for them (my brothers), they're good guys. But I... heh... I have psychiatrist appointments every week and.. scars... and yet we were raised exactly the same way.

The same methods don't apply to everyone.

01-20-2003, 03:49 AM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Kids today Do you think there is a problem with the kids today. Unruly, apathy,... is it the parents or society or is it that kids will be kids? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-20-2003, 09:29 AM	#3
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I'm 12. When I first revealed that to the people on Entmoot, they seemed to think I was 17. Go figure. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

01-20-2003, 09:46 AM	#4
Elenka The Negative Soul of Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Middle Distance Posts: 651	I'm 12-going-on-22. I'll be 13/22 in March. I think kids are a little over the edge most days, but I've never been a problem kid (something I need to change) and I've never hung out with the problem kids, so I don't really have a sense of how bad it is. On the other hand, I've always held the firm belief that other kids are all stupid until proven to posess a shred of inteligence. __________________ W00T for the M00T!! War doesn't determine who is right - war determines who is left.

01-20-2003, 10:37 AM	#5
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	I don't think kids are more of a problem than adults. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-20-2003, 10:44 AM	#6
Elenka The Negative Soul of Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Middle Distance Posts: 651	Excellent point. __________________ W00T for the M00T!! War doesn't determine who is right - war determines who is left.

01-20-2003, 09:15 AM	#2
Lady of Rohan Doughy Elf Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,006	I'm still a kid and I don't think that there is any thing wrong with kids in general. Maybe only some kids are the problem.

01-20-2003, 10:47 AM	#7
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	No, if there's a problem, it's with adults. These days we seem to be terrified to let kids out of our sight. We want to control their environment in a way that is both unhealthy and impossible. And in doing so, we expose them to more real sources of harm (a child is far more likely to be harmed by a member of their own family than by a stranger, etc.) and stunt their abilities to assess risk and make their own decisions. Apathy was a problem when I was a kid in the late 70s & early 80s too. In the UK, Thatcher succeeded in terrifying an entire generation into thinking they had to toe the line or join the dole queue. But today there seems to be a new movement towards political activism (environmentalism, anti-globalisation) which is refreshing. cheers d.

01-20-2003, 10:59 AM	#8
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	What problems there are are found in human nature - I don't think it matters whether you are an adult or a child. Furthermore, different people become adults at different times, so it's hard to tell just where child stops and adult begins. How can you make a general statement about something like this? It's on a person-to-person basis, IMO. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-20-2003, 11:05 AM	#9
Elven Archer Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: America! Posts: 480	i think kids and teenagers today have big problems. I've seen really little kids cuss and hit people and be just really really rude. same with teenagers. Teenagers also have problems with respect to elders or anybody for that matter.more and more teenagers are dressing skimpy and trashy. lots of kids and teenagers have problems with drugs wich is really sad. there's alotmore stuff wrong with kids and teenagers but there's also alot wrong with adults like FF said. It's the parents job to raise the kid and to keep 'em on the right path but they can't do that if they're just as bad as their kids are turning out to be. also the society and media don't help any. __________________ "In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: 'it goes on'." ~robert frost

01-20-2003, 11:09 AM	#10
Celebréiel Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: A house! Posts: 376	Yeah, I generally think kids are okay. the only kids I have problems with are the ones dressing like their 23! And then when they finally grow up they realize they've wasted their childhood and get plastic surgury and botox in some attempt to regain their younger years. Or maybe im full of it... but botox really bugs me...i think im off topic.. yeah I think adults have problems too. ~Celebréiel __________________ Peace Yeah, Your an individual...just like everyone else. http://cartalien.deviantart.com/ - Arty goodness

01-20-2003, 11:25 AM	#11
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	I don't know, Elven Archer . . . where do you think kids learn all that stuff? From adults. So why is something worse if a kid does it than if an adult does? It sucks either way, IMO. Besides, I'm so sick of people judging me just because I don't have the proper numbers - I'm still a thinking, rational person with a right to an opinion, who is equally to every other person on the planet. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-20-2003, 12:09 PM	#12
Elf.Freak Orli's lil fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sugar World/Orlando Bloom Cloud Posts: 464	even though i'm a kid, i think there is a problem with some kids. i mean, one girl phoned my friend, tried to disguise her voice as my best friend's, and threatened to kill her (trying to be funny). so, i guess you see my point. __________________ >>--elven arrow--> ~ Give a man a fish and he'll feed for a day, give me a fish and you'll only get it back! ~ I've gotta new avatar! looks kinda like me...anime style! ~ LOST: Orlando Bloom. If found, please send him straight to Elf.Freak

01-20-2003, 04:13 PM	#13
gimli-son-of-gloin13 Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Over the river and through the woods. Posts: 193	well with some kids its their family, if they have horrible parents and neiborhood (sp?) then they r most likely to be like that but also with some kids, in that situation, know how horrible it is to be like that so they change into a good kid but on the other hand, if they grow up in a wonderful home and everything is perfect they dont want to be like that so they "go bad" or they could just stay like that. i think it just has to do with the kid __________________ http://www.4degreez.com/misc/persona...sorder_test.mv Do you have any personality disorders, click here and see! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://public.findlaw.com/states_new.html Find your rights as a student!

01-20-2003, 04:28 PM	#14
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	All the psychologists in the world can't figure out the human mind. Hobbits, on the other hand . . . - relaxes under a tree and starts eating an apple - . . . are easily understood. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-20-2003, 06:32 PM	#15
Huan Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: 274	I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I think that both kids and adults are generally in a very sorry state here in America. We have almost ceased to have any sense of history or culture. And I do think that here in the States parents have gotten too afraid to exert any kind of control over their children. I get the impression that this thread is speaking mostly of older kids and teenagers, but parents are doing wrong by their little kids as well these days. They don't tell a little kid to stop whining, they give in to it. And they let their brats scream and yell in public rather than telling them to shut up.

01-20-2003, 08:57 PM	#16
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	I think there's a lot of emphasis on youth. They're forced to grow up faster, they're the main target of lots of advertising because people know that kids are impressionable, and what's worse... they're the next generation. Kids these days have been selling in to sex a lot. So there's all this power and focus on youth... It's like... "Live life now, before you get old and lose your vigor and shiz!" so the youth is forced in to maturing quickly and it seems they're more ornery than ever. Too much emphasis put on 13-18 year olds... __________________ I love the fishes.

01-20-2003, 09:05 PM	#17
wahine The Original Amazonian Coconut Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Answering no questions, telling no lies. Posts: 753	I know I am pulling a psycho-something or other hear. But it is the parents fault. The way I see it, kids don't get enough punishment, that sounds bad, but kids not only need punichment they want it. They like to knowwhen they've corssed the line. All this "don't spank your children" crap is the same old bull. Some parents take it to far, yes, but that doesn't mean punishment is wrong. that's where "kids" today have gone wrong. I never got punished and look where I am. In my living room, glued to the pc. __________________ Hem, hem

01-20-2003, 09:05 PM	#18
Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn The Elven Queen Of All Pyros Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Im like a little bug stuck in the lamp...never going anywhere Posts: 795	Kids I think that there is some problems with kids today. I know that i have way to much stress put on me with school any parents. Kids today are more stressed a pressured than before. A study showed that the amount of stress that kids have today was the same with people who were mentally ill in the 50s..But kids are also more violent and forced to grow up to fast. __________________ Would you judge my future based on what i did in the past? Procrastinators Unite!!!.....tomorrrow.... Kids in backseats cause accidents...accidents in backseats cause kids As long as there are tests..there will be prayers in school

01-20-2003, 09:05 PM	#19
Evenstar1400 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the inner depths of my lair. Posts: 421	I'm 13. i think us kids are okay, at times. the problem with us is that we never really get a chance to feel young, with all the homework and worries put on us. the issue with the US going to war freaks me out alot, and i have a friend that is paranoid about us getting bombed. we just have been through alot, and its forced us to grow up faster than we shouldhave. __________________ Treebeard: Hmm, you look like hobbits, smell like hobbits, feel like hobbits and sound like hobbits. You must be orcs!

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