New Perspective?

GandalfTheWhite · 03-22-2002, 12:58 AM

Has seeing the movie given you a new perspectiv on FotR? If it has, how so? I know personally the thing i found most intersting was rivendell, i had quite a different picture in my head

Renille · 03-22-2002, 05:56 PM

Oooh yes. The movie helped me to delve a little deeper into the characters. It opened to me some emotions that were in the book, but hidden. On real people's faces, they were a little bit more obvious and easy to read. Plus, the scenery helped me picture the book in my head more. Like GandalftheWhite, I found PJ's Rivendell to be quite different from my imagination's. And I can FINALLY picture mallorn trees without being confused! Yay!

Wayfarer · 03-22-2002, 06:29 PM

I think the opposite is true.

jerseydevil · 03-22-2002, 07:07 PM

There are things about the movie I like - but generally I don't want to picture any of the characters in place of what I've already thought of them as. Especially, Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, Pippin and Merry.

Having my own view of LOTR is a 1000 times better than what Jackson imagined.

FrodoFriend · 03-22-2002, 10:02 PM

The movie gave me some beautiful images and landscapes, but not really much more insight.

sheeplova · 03-23-2002, 07:47 PM

I going to have to agree with wayfarer here, the movie takes alot out of the story, just my opinion though...

Rána Eressëa · 03-23-2002, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FrodoFriend
The movie gave me some beautiful images and landscapes, but not really much more insight.

Same here. The movie gave fantastic landscapes, but the book is what gave the rest. Remember: the movie is just a visual perspective - nothing more, nothing less.

Arathorn · 03-24-2002, 02:25 PM

Aside from some of those already mentioned by FF, it gave me a chance to know people who secretly shared my love for the books.
I saw some old acquaintances in the movie house and have gotten to talk to them again.

BTW, FF and R-E, didn't it also give you a face that you liked with your favorite hobbit?

FrodoFriend · 03-24-2002, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arathorn
BTW, FF and R-E, didn't it also give you a face that you liked with your favorite hobbit?

It gave me affordable posters of the face to go with my favorite hobbit.

And I got one too! It's in my room! Weee!!

aldesign · 03-24-2002, 08:37 PM

blooming Elijah lovers! pah

anyway, yeah, Rivendal was much more different to me too. It definatly wasnt as grand, mine was more simple and hutt like. I think i took my definition from the Hobbit, and ignored much of what was in the FOTRbook.

andy

Lanelf · 03-24-2002, 10:33 PM

Well, technically I saw the movie before reading the books *cringes as though expecting to be decked* but I had read the Hobbit! I still do SO not associate the Hobbit's Last Homely House with Rivendell! No way, no how!
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A small cute frog struggles under the weight of the Hobbit and the LOTR series combined.

jerseydevil · 03-24-2002, 10:48 PM

Well I keep the Hobbit and LOTR seperate. It's sort of weird - I have different views of what things looked like for both books. Tolkien definitely changed his style in LOTR and the two Rivendells, even the elves, are very different.

Rána Eressëa · 03-25-2002, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Tolkien definitely changed his style in LOTR and the two Rivendells, even the elves, are very different.

Very. In "The Hobbit" elves are silly, funny, and sing their lungs out. In LOTR they're more somber and gracefully calm.

Gerbil · 03-25-2002, 02:52 AM

Don't forget he only made them in the same world in retrospect of the hobbit.

So in his mind they were only the same in coincidence.

I think when FotR was going to be published he edited a bit of the Hobbit to make it fit more (mainly to do with the finding of the ring) but that was all. It was that or a complete re-write which he wouldn't have wanted to do.

Not to mention the target audiences are slghtly different.

jerseydevil · 03-25-2002, 03:10 AM

Yeah I know. But one thing that is cool is that if you look at in terms of the history of Middle Earth - "There and Back Again"was written by Bilbo - whereas LOTR was written by several people - so the style difference makes sense.

bropous · 03-25-2002, 11:44 AM

Well, for me, the film DID give me some new perspectives on LotR. First, it made me realize that no one but an EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO should be trusted to make this film [not a one of US would have had Arwen as SuperElfette]. Jackson did a fantastic job, and made one of the best films I've seen, if not the best, but there WERE failings. We have discussed those ad nauseum.

The visualization of Tolkien's world was superb. I know some folks didn't like a lot of the casting, I heartily disagree.

One new perspective it gave was how the world reacts to a story of enduring detail and depth and majesty, upholding principles of good over evil. Although the puerile Acadummy snubbed the film and gave awards to others based, not upon filmmaking, but out of simple vulgar popularity among the incestuous Acadummy, the public loved the film and its message. So, new perspective on popular opinion over the biased views of the "experts".

Also, indirectly, the film triggered me to join the Moot and begin discussing Tolkien's works in depth. It is this affect which has most altered my perspectives on the books. Interacting with Mooters and getting different perspectives have changed my perceptions in some ways and reinforced perceptions in other ways.

All in all, like was said in another thread, the film is a GOOD thing and, yes, my perspectives were changed, both directly and indirectly.

emplynx · 03-25-2002, 06:35 PM

Bropous, do you have EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO memorized?

I think that thing that will change the most for me, is that I will hear the actors voices when I am reading. I am not much of a picturer.

03-22-2002, 12:58 AM	#1
GandalfTheWhite Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 297	New Perspective? Has seeing the movie given you a new perspectiv on FotR? If it has, how so? I know personally the thing i found most intersting was rivendell, i had quite a different picture in my head __________________ "Behold, I am not Gandalf the Grey, whom you betrayed. I am Gandalf the White, who has returned from death. You have no colour now, and I cast you from the order and from the Council." -Gandalf The Road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say. "He who breaks a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom." -Gandalf "A thing is about to happen which has not happened since the Elder Days: the Ents are going to wake up and find that they are strong." -Gandalf

03-22-2002, 05:56 PM	#2
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	Oooh yes. The movie helped me to delve a little deeper into the characters. It opened to me some emotions that were in the book, but hidden. On real people's faces, they were a little bit more obvious and easy to read. Plus, the scenery helped me picture the book in my head more. Like GandalftheWhite, I found PJ's Rivendell to be quite different from my imagination's. And I can FINALLY picture mallorn trees without being confused! Yay! __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

03-22-2002, 06:29 PM	#3
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I think the opposite is true. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-22-2002, 07:07 PM	#4
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	There are things about the movie I like - but generally I don't want to picture any of the characters in place of what I've already thought of them as. Especially, Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, Pippin and Merry. Having my own view of LOTR is a 1000 times better than what Jackson imagined. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-22-2002, 10:02 PM	#5
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	The movie gave me some beautiful images and landscapes, but not really much more insight. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

03-23-2002, 07:47 PM	#6
sheeplova Sapling Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: East Coast, semi large city Posts: 3	I going to have to agree with wayfarer here, the movie takes alot out of the story, just my opinion though...

03-24-2002, 02:25 PM	#8
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Aside from some of those already mentioned by FF, it gave me a chance to know people who secretly shared my love for the books. I saw some old acquaintances in the movie house and have gotten to talk to them again. BTW, FF and R-E, didn't it also give you a face that you liked with your favorite hobbit? __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

03-24-2002, 08:37 PM	#10
aldesign Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Uk Posts: 447	blooming Elijah lovers! pah anyway, yeah, Rivendal was much more different to me too. It definatly wasnt as grand, mine was more simple and hutt like. I think i took my definition from the Hobbit, and ignored much of what was in the FOTRbook. andy __________________ The funniest story on the net, made by entmoot fanatics, visit it @ FOTMB.com FRODO LIVES!! GET FREE AVATARS HERE!

03-24-2002, 10:33 PM	#11
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	Well, technically I saw the movie before reading the books cringes as though expecting to be decked but I had read the Hobbit! I still do SO not associate the Hobbit's Last Homely House with Rivendell! No way, no how! ________ A small cute frog struggles under the weight of the Hobbit and the LOTR series combined.

03-24-2002, 10:48 PM	#12
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	Well I keep the Hobbit and LOTR seperate. It's sort of weird - I have different views of what things looked like for both books. Tolkien definitely changed his style in LOTR and the two Rivendells, even the elves, are very different. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-25-2002, 02:52 AM	#14
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	Don't forget he only made them in the same world in retrospect of the hobbit. So in his mind they were only the same in coincidence. I think when FotR was going to be published he edited a bit of the Hobbit to make it fit more (mainly to do with the finding of the ring) but that was all. It was that or a complete re-write which he wouldn't have wanted to do. Not to mention the target audiences are slghtly different. __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

03-25-2002, 03:10 AM	#15
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	Yeah I know. But one thing that is cool is that if you look at in terms of the history of Middle Earth - "There and Back Again"was written by Bilbo - whereas LOTR was written by several people - so the style difference makes sense. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-25-2002, 11:44 AM	#16
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Well, for me, the film DID give me some new perspectives on LotR. First, it made me realize that no one but an EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO should be trusted to make this film [not a one of US would have had Arwen as SuperElfette]. Jackson did a fantastic job, and made one of the best films I've seen, if not the best, but there WERE failings. We have discussed those ad nauseum. The visualization of Tolkien's world was superb. I know some folks didn't like a lot of the casting, I heartily disagree. One new perspective it gave was how the world reacts to a story of enduring detail and depth and majesty, upholding principles of good over evil. Although the puerile Acadummy snubbed the film and gave awards to others based, not upon filmmaking, but out of simple vulgar popularity among the incestuous Acadummy, the public loved the film and its message. So, new perspective on popular opinion over the biased views of the "experts". Also, indirectly, the film triggered me to join the Moot and begin discussing Tolkien's works in depth. It is this affect which has most altered my perspectives on the books. Interacting with Mooters and getting different perspectives have changed my perceptions in some ways and reinforced perceptions in other ways. All in all, like was said in another thread, the film is a GOOD thing and, yes, my perspectives were changed, both directly and indirectly. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

03-25-2002, 06:35 PM	#17
emplynx Self-Appointed Lord of the Free Peoples of the General Messages Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,214	Bropous, do you have EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO memorized? I think that thing that will change the most for me, is that I will hear the actors voices when I am reading. I am not much of a picturer.

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