alternative plots and endings

MasterMothra · 02-26-2002, 10:38 PM

what plot changes and possible endings would you have written to the sil.

mine would be fairly evident:

morgoth destroys the the pathetic alliance and takes revenge on the valar by making valinor his fortress. he then punishes the infidels for their insulance and eats manwe in a show of power.
and all live happily ever after....muhahahhah.

***Earniel*** · 02-27-2002, 12:50 PM

You are quite a dark fellow, aren't you?

MasterMothra · 02-27-2002, 09:32 PM

i never thought about it , but i guess i am. the first few times i read lotr i was all like" gandalf is great, aragorn is cool etc." after i read the sil i gained a new perspective on good and evil in the books. i found the evil in tolkiens books to be interesting to say the least. there are good characters that i like, ulmo , aule and some others, but most have some rebellious nature that detaches them from the conforming majority.

sorry if i strayed off topic.

Finrod Felagund · 02-28-2002, 03:43 PM

What if Hurin had died in Angband and didn't reveal Gondolin's general location or take the naecklace to Thingol. Then maybe all the remaining elves would have gone to Doriath and eventually Gondolin and Doriath would have been the only two kingdoms left and would have forged an alliance.

Or what if Finrod had defeated Sauron and then Finrod, with Beren, Luthien and Huan would have gone to take the silmaril and that is when Charcaroth would have been killed and the silmaril wouldn't have been eaten and Finrod would not have let Turin change Nargothrond's policy.

noldorlord · 02-28-2002, 05:04 PM

elves crush Morgoths forces at the nirneath ardoniad after a glorious cavalry charge, routing the orcs. Dwarves behead big dragons. Forces of light trash fortress of Morgoth, Hurin slays Morgoth. Morgoth banished to the pit. Forces of good unite in friendly federation. Middle earth is all free and happiness rains.

not very excting really. original plot much better than anything else.

what if feanor or his father were killed?
what if the sils were not stolen?
what if the terrible vow was not taken?

***Earniel*** · 02-28-2002, 06:34 PM

Going further on what Noldorlord said. What If Feänor happened to be home when broke into his house and stole the silmarils?
Imagine he got himself killed. Would his sons have gone to Middle earth to revenge him or would the Valar have stepped in?

Or what if Ungoliath was just a bit faster and had eaten the silmarils? Feänor's sons would have taken on the big spider, (not as dramatical as taking on a black lord, but who would care?) Instead of orcs there would be spiders running rampage in the lands.

These things can go on for ever.

Wayfarer · 02-28-2002, 10:37 PM

Gwindor holds his temper.

The battle (whatever it was) doesn't start prematurely.

Maedhros gets there.

The elves decimate morgoth's fortress, and seal up angband again. All the elf lords live. Hurin isn't captured.

They are all good and well until the valar come.

MasterMothra · 03-01-2002, 12:48 AM

frontrunners.

afro-elf · 03-03-2002, 08:03 AM

Easy, the Baranavair would have played a prominent role.

noldorlord · 03-06-2002, 09:14 AM

after eating the trees of valinor, ungoliant feels very sick, dies, morgoth fails to nick silmarils cos ungoliant squashed him when she fell over, after feeling sick.

Cirdan · 03-08-2002, 12:06 AM

The hobbits develop nuclear weapons, the secret of which is stolen by sauron's agents. A long cold war ensues until Iluvatar gets sick of the whole mess, recalls the valar, and obliterates middle earth. Then again, maybe not

afro-elf · 03-08-2002, 01:30 AM

I wish the elves weren't betrayed by the mortals

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-08-2002, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by afro-elf
I wish the elves weren't betrayed by the mortals

Yeah. Doesn't it say that they would have won the Nirnaeth had it not been for the treachory of Men? What a bummer.

Finrod Felagund · 04-16-2002, 02:38 PM

Beren's knife doesn't break, he gets all three silmarils, Carcharoth doen't bite him, Thingol gives the silmarils to the sons of Feanor, Morgoth in his rage sends all his forces running rampant and their scattered forms are destroyed and Morgoth is unable to rebuild.

Tar-Elendil · 04-21-2002, 08:26 PM

valar never depart for middle earth.. no elves no men...lol..
unless Ilúvatar send diff servants

Wulažg · 05-09-2002, 10:11 PM

So then we would have a Middle Earth populated solely by Eagles then?

Finrod Felagund · 05-10-2002, 08:17 AM

Eagles and Ents you mean.

02-26-2002, 10:38 PM	#1
MasterMothra Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: utumno and angband Posts: 241	alternative plots and endings what plot changes and possible endings would you have written to the sil. mine would be fairly evident: morgoth destroys the the pathetic alliance and takes revenge on the valar by making valinor his fortress. he then punishes the infidels for their insulance and eats manwe in a show of power. and all live happily ever after....muhahahhah. __________________ "........and his name is Melkor, Lord of All, Giver of Freedom, and he shall make you stronger than they."- sauron talking to ar pharazon.

02-27-2002, 09:32 PM	#3
MasterMothra Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: utumno and angband Posts: 241	i never thought about it , but i guess i am. the first few times i read lotr i was all like" gandalf is great, aragorn is cool etc." after i read the sil i gained a new perspective on good and evil in the books. i found the evil in tolkiens books to be interesting to say the least. there are good characters that i like, ulmo , aule and some others, but most have some rebellious nature that detaches them from the conforming majority. sorry if i strayed off topic. __________________ "........and his name is Melkor, Lord of All, Giver of Freedom, and he shall make you stronger than they."- sauron talking to ar pharazon.

02-28-2002, 03:43 PM	#4
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	What if Hurin had died in Angband and didn't reveal Gondolin's general location or take the naecklace to Thingol. Then maybe all the remaining elves would have gone to Doriath and eventually Gondolin and Doriath would have been the only two kingdoms left and would have forged an alliance. Or what if Finrod had defeated Sauron and then Finrod, with Beren, Luthien and Huan would have gone to take the silmaril and that is when Charcaroth would have been killed and the silmaril wouldn't have been eaten and Finrod would not have let Turin change Nargothrond's policy. __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!"

02-28-2002, 05:04 PM	#5
noldorlord Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: derbyshire, england Posts: 42	elves crush Morgoths forces at the nirneath ardoniad after a glorious cavalry charge, routing the orcs. Dwarves behead big dragons. Forces of light trash fortress of Morgoth, Hurin slays Morgoth. Morgoth banished to the pit. Forces of good unite in friendly federation. Middle earth is all free and happiness rains. not very excting really. original plot much better than anything else. what if feanor or his father were killed? what if the sils were not stolen? what if the terrible vow was not taken? __________________ "fly you fools" - Gandalf

02-28-2002, 10:37 PM	#7
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Gwindor holds his temper. The battle (whatever it was) doesn't start prematurely. Maedhros gets there. The elves decimate morgoth's fortress, and seal up angband again. All the elf lords live. Hurin isn't captured. They are all good and well until the valar come. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

02-27-2002, 12:50 PM	#2
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	You are quite a dark fellow, aren't you?

02-28-2002, 06:34 PM	#6
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Going further on what Noldorlord said. What If Feänor happened to be home when broke into his house and stole the silmarils? Imagine he got himself killed. Would his sons have gone to Middle earth to revenge him or would the Valar have stepped in? Or what if Ungoliath was just a bit faster and had eaten the silmarils? Feänor's sons would have taken on the big spider, (not as dramatical as taking on a black lord, but who would care?) Instead of orcs there would be spiders running rampage in the lands. These things can go on for ever.

03-01-2002, 12:48 AM	#8
MasterMothra Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: utumno and angband Posts: 241	frontrunners. __________________ "........and his name is Melkor, Lord of All, Giver of Freedom, and he shall make you stronger than they."- sauron talking to ar pharazon.

03-03-2002, 08:03 AM	#9
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Easy, the Baranavair would have played a prominent role. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-06-2002, 09:14 AM	#10
noldorlord Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: derbyshire, england Posts: 42	after eating the trees of valinor, ungoliant feels very sick, dies, morgoth fails to nick silmarils cos ungoliant squashed him when she fell over, after feeling sick. __________________ "fly you fools" - Gandalf

03-08-2002, 12:06 AM	#11
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	The hobbits develop nuclear weapons, the secret of which is stolen by sauron's agents. A long cold war ensues until Iluvatar gets sick of the whole mess, recalls the valar, and obliterates middle earth. Then again, maybe not __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary Last edited by Cirdan : 03-08-2002 at 12:07 AM.

03-08-2002, 01:30 AM	#12
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	I wish the elves weren't betrayed by the mortals __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 03-08-2002 at 01:34 AM.

04-16-2002, 02:38 PM	#14
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	Beren's knife doesn't break, he gets all three silmarils, Carcharoth doen't bite him, Thingol gives the silmarils to the sons of Feanor, Morgoth in his rage sends all his forces running rampant and their scattered forms are destroyed and Morgoth is unable to rebuild. __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!" Last edited by Finrod Felagund : 04-23-2002 at 01:48 PM.

04-21-2002, 08:26 PM	#15
Tar-Elendil Númenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	valar never depart for middle earth.. no elves no men...lol.. unless Ilúvatar send diff servants __________________ Why can we not be sober..

05-09-2002, 10:11 PM	#16
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	So then we would have a Middle Earth populated solely by Eagles then? __________________ FRODO LIVES!! EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO rule the world!

05-10-2002, 08:17 AM	#17
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	Eagles and Ents you mean. __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!"