08-09-2002, 07:26 PM | #1 |
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The Rings
The One Ring.....
Can anyone give me some good information about the ring... you know like it's actual powers? And can anyone answer this, when anyone put on the One Ring they became invisable, when Sauron was wearing the ring at the start of the FOTR he was visable how and why??? All the other rings....the 3 rings given to the elves... the 9 rings given to the men (well we know what happend to the men...fools!!) and the 7 rings given to the drawves ..... what happened to them what were they're powers????? What ever you know about the Rings of Middle Earth, please put it here!!!
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08-09-2002, 07:30 PM | #2 |
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After reading something of importance!
I was only referring to a part in the film... please don't shut this thread down!!!!!! I only read that thread to do with keeping the books and film separate after i wrote that !!!!
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08-09-2002, 07:40 PM | #3 |
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My theory on why Sauron wasn't invisible when he wore it in the movie is this (and sorry about addressing the movie verse here, admin and mods):
Since Sauron was the forger of The Ring, and also the lord of it, he could control it. If he didn't want to be invisible when he wore it, he wouldn't be.
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08-09-2002, 08:00 PM | #4 |
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The elven rings weren't given to them. They made them.
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08-09-2002, 11:54 PM | #5 |
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About the seven Rings, some Sauron got and the rest were destroyed. And I agree with Starr Polish on why Sauron was visible.
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08-10-2002, 01:32 AM | #6 |
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I think Sauron got 3 of the dwarves rings back and 4 were destroyed by dragons. The elvish rings were with Elrond (called Vilya), Galadriel (Nenya) and Gandalf (Narya). Cirdan gave his to Gandalf and Gil-Galad gave his to Erond. I don't think the lesser rings made you invisible. My question: would a microbe on the inside of the one ring become invisble and evil?
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08-10-2002, 02:50 AM | #7 |
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I think the Great Rings only had the invisability effect on mortals and that is why Sauron did not become invisable. But I agree that could have chose to be visable, if the Ring would have it otherwise.
The three Elven Rings passed into the forgotten True West. I imagine the three Dwarven Rings and the Nine Rings that he wore died with Sauron, or else they remain in the ruins of the Black Tower. But they must have been shorn of their power. As for powers, the One Ring was made by Sauron to increase his own innate power. He put part of his very self into the Ring, part of his spirit and will, so that the Ring had from him it's own sort of conscience. In concentrating his power he increased it, while he was wearing the Ring and he became more powerful than he had ever been since the Beginning. It increased the life-span of mortals until their bodies stretched and faded away and to all people the Ring imparted great power, according to their measure. Being evil and filled only with the evil of Sauron, it also of course corrupted all who wielded it, if they were not already wicked. I don't know what power the Nine Rings gave and I am not familiar with the Dwarven Rings. I know the Dwarven Rings brought luck and wealth and gold and good-fortune, seemingly, until they betrayed their masters with death and treachery. Or at least one Dwarven Ring did. As for the Elven Rings, no one really knows for sure. Narya, the Ring of Fire, kindled the hearts free people, it gave them hope and fair visions. It increased Gandalf's ability to do this, when C*rdan gave it to him. I remember that Galadriel's longing for the Sea increased while she wore Nenya, but I don't exactly what that was all about. I know nothing of Elrond's Ring of Air.
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08-10-2002, 03:06 AM | #8 |
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Can someone tell me which of Tolkiens books go into more detail about these rings?
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08-10-2002, 07:19 AM | #9 |
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Tom Bomadile also wore the ring but he did not turn invisiable which is a bit odd. Since toms a mystery and we dont want to get into the tom debate as well lets just say it wont effect people of mair. I think that someone like Ganalf or Sauraman could of wrestled control over the ring but would sumcome to evil. Sauron was as fully in control of the ring as the movie makes out.
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The Elves were able exist in two worlds at the same time, the body existed in the material world as we know it, while the spirit (I think it is called Fea), existed in the spiritual (in lack of a better word) world. The same goes for Maiar. Mortals on the other hand, existed only in the material world.
So here's a theory I've read somewhere, don't remember where: The ring would give a mortal, when wearing it, access to the spiritual world. He would move from the material world to the spiritual world, and as part of the spiritual world be invicible to other Men. The man wearing the ring would also be able to see the spirits. This explaines why Frodo became invicible when wearing the ring, and also why he suddenly was able to perceive the Ringwraiths at Weathertop (and they were able to see him clearly only when he wore the ring!), and not only their horses and armour, since the wraiths had become part of the spiritual world. The stab with the Morgul-blade had similar effect on Frodo, he gradually moved into the wraiths world. At the Ford he was so affected he was able to see the Glorfindel as he was in the other world. LoTR says: Quote:
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08-10-2002, 12:49 PM | #11 |
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Supposedly the ring is supposed to give you mastery over all living things.
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er..Vilya was the Ring of Air.and the dwarves were inflamed by a desire for gold from there rings.
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No, it's the ring of water. It said very clearly in the end of ROTK:
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Oh Ack. I'm sorry. Point taken.
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thats a good point Ganalf was worried it would effect him. well ive a feeling tom is simply illvater but thats my own wacked out theory.
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