Gorgoroth

Tar-Elendil · 04-05-2002, 03:44 PM

This is a question for someone who knows the detailed geography of middle-earth

The valley of gorgoroth is located near mordor, and during the days of beleriand wuznt it just outside of the belt of melian?

Xivigg · 04-05-2002, 04:01 PM

It could be that the valley of gorgoroth near Mordor is named after the first one... not unlike Grond (the siege weapon) was named after Grond (the mighty warhammer of Morgoth)

Tar-Elendil · 04-05-2002, 04:13 PM

It says in the LOTR that the range of ephel duath and the ridges of ered lithui were "but indeed parts of one great wall about the mournful plains of lithlad and gorgoroth..". Was it not those mountain ranges that were near to doriath?

markedel · 04-05-2002, 06:19 PM

No. Rather the mountains were very steep and dangerous and later on filled with children of Ungoliant-thus ered gorgoroth. The name was likely reused for historical value (and Tolkien repeated himself a lot re: the great Glorifindel debate).

Ñólendil · 04-05-2002, 06:22 PM

No. The mountain ranges nearest Doriath were Ered Gorgoroth and the Crissaegrim. Next I suppose would be the Ered Wethrin.

The mountain north of Doriath were indeed call the Ered Gorgoroth, because it was on the edge of Nan Dungortheb, where Ungoliant's brood dwelt. The "Gorgoroth" of the Lord of the Rings is quite different. Just the same name, like Finrod's Minas Tirith.

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04-05-2002, 03:44 PM	#1
Tar-Elendil Númenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	Gorgoroth This is a question for someone who knows the detailed geography of middle-earth The valley of gorgoroth is located near mordor, and during the days of beleriand wuznt it just outside of the belt of melian? __________________ Why can we not be sober..

04-05-2002, 04:01 PM	#2
Xivigg Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Earth Posts: 495	It could be that the valley of gorgoroth near Mordor is named after the first one... not unlike Grond (the siege weapon) was named after Grond (the mighty warhammer of Morgoth) __________________ Thinking before acting is alway's a good idea.

04-05-2002, 04:13 PM	#3
Tar-Elendil Númenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	It says in the LOTR that the range of ephel duath and the ridges of ered lithui were "but indeed parts of one great wall about the mournful plains of lithlad and gorgoroth..". Was it not those mountain ranges that were near to doriath? __________________ Why can we not be sober..

04-05-2002, 06:19 PM	#4
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	No. Rather the mountains were very steep and dangerous and later on filled with children of Ungoliant-thus ered gorgoroth. The name was likely reused for historical value (and Tolkien repeated himself a lot re: the great Glorifindel debate). __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

04-05-2002, 06:22 PM	#5
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	No. The mountain ranges nearest Doriath were Ered Gorgoroth and the Crissaegrim. Next I suppose would be the Ered Wethrin. The mountain north of Doriath were indeed call the Ered Gorgoroth, because it was on the edge of Nan Dungortheb, where Ungoliant's brood dwelt. The "Gorgoroth" of the Lord of the Rings is quite different. Just the same name, like Finrod's Minas Tirith. Click here to view the map I used to answer this question. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan