Tired of movies where the "bad guy" wins!

ringbearer · 11-30-2005, 11:10 PM

Seems this is the "in thing" more and more...just saw The Skeleton Key, and once again was disappointed...

Curubethion · 11-30-2005, 11:58 PM

Guess it's part of the good ol' "keepin' it real" (blah).

Pytt · 12-01-2005, 09:58 AM

I think I've actually never saw a film where the bad guy won. Not when who's bad and who's good are clearly defined.

ringbearer · 12-09-2005, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pytt

I think I've actually never saw a film where the bad guy won. Not when who's bad and who's good are clearly defined.

You have got to be kidding!

new thread coming...or let's list the movies where the bad guy wins...

Here is one...7 (Seven).

Insidious Rex · 12-09-2005, 02:51 PM

But Seven was a great movie. As was Omen. It can be done.

EarthBound · 12-09-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

But Seven was a great movie. As was Omen. It can be done.

Ahhh! 7 was sickening and a bummer. I don't watch films to discover what wonderful TRAGEDY has befallen characters I may have begun to empathies with.

I thought that headless horseman movie with Johnny Depp was a bummer ending too.....I may be wrong, been a while since I've seen it.

Insidious Rex · 12-10-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by EarthBound

Ahhh! 7 was sickening and a bummer. I don't watch films to discover what wonderful TRAGEDY has befallen characters I may have begun to empathies with.

But thats what made it brilliant. Yes it was sickening but it worked. Why only see art to seek a happy ending? I like art that works. Even if it leaves you depressed and shaken. Thats legit. Its just a lot harder to do then the usual formula.

Perfect Storm was similar in that way too. It wasnt as disurbing in a pyschotic grusome way but I actually found it more disturbing because you know the WHOLE time everyone is going to die and they make you connect with these characters and you go along with it and they DIE ANYWAY! But I think that was a good film too. I think any film that can pull that off is doing something better then the usual happily ever after type of film.

ringbearer · 12-11-2005, 02:21 AM

But still...back to the point! The friggin "Bad guy" won!

I am tired of the bad guy winning...I may be foolish...but I am sick of seeing movies and looking over at my wife and saying..."You know this one is going to end bad, don't you?"

FIDDLESTICKS!!!

ringbearer · 12-11-2005, 02:30 AM

Also worth mentionig is Stan Kubrick's version of "The Shining"...This film(or piece of crap) made me so mad...

Spoiler below

the "true hero" of the novel(Dick Halloran) is killed by Jack Torrence...just because Kubrick thought "someone has to die!"

ringbearer · 12-11-2005, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

But Seven was a great movie. As was Omen. It can be done.

...and another thing...sure, "It can be done"...I am just saying it is "being done too much"!

ringbearer · 12-11-2005, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EarthBound

Ahhh! 7 was sickening and a bummer. I don't watch films to discover what wonderful TRAGEDY has befallen characters I may have begun to empathies with.

I thought that headless horseman movie with Johnny Depp was a bummer ending too.....I may be wrong, been a while since I've seen it.

See! Someone else agrees with me! These types of movies are depressing, not ARTY!

Insidious Rex · 12-11-2005, 09:29 PM

Depression and art arent mutualy exclusive.

***Earniel*** · 12-14-2005, 11:30 AM

I suppose it has to do with personal taste. In school we always seem to read only books that ended bad. Since then I have a big dislike of stories that don't end well or where the bad guy wins, written or filmed.

***azalea*** · 12-15-2005, 09:19 PM

I liked both seven and Perfect Storm; they were good movies (although in Perfect Storm there wasn't really a bad "guy"), but I HATED Natural Born Killers. If a movie is well done, then the bad guy winning can enhance the power of the plot, but not all movies are well done. You just have to make a guess about if you're going to enjoy it.

My vote for one of the top five movies where the bad guy won: Chinatown. Errrggghhh, chilling ending!

cee2lee2 · 12-15-2005, 10:51 PM

I agree with Ringbearer, but I go even further than he: I've decided I'm not going to see anymore "R" movies. I'm not saying that the movies aren't well done, moving, or powerful for I've found many to be all of those things. It's just that I'm tired of them. I'm at a point in my life where I need things to be positive and uplifting, especially what I read and watch for entertainment. There are too many awful images in my head already and I don't need to add to them.

Not a judgment on anyone else nor on art; it's just where my head's at right now.

***azalea*** · 12-16-2005, 10:35 PM

I agree with you cee2. That's why I stopped watching horror movies many years ago. I'll catch part of one on tv every now and then, though, and just watch for as long as I want to, then change the channel. But there are some good R movies that aren't disturbing, but are just more adult in nature (than a movie with a lesser rating), such as American Splendor. And sometimes movies that contain violence or some disturbing images are done well, not just for the sake of including them, that it makes them worthwhile to watch. The Passion of the Christ comes to mind, or Minority Report.

Edit: wrong movie name

ringbearer · 12-18-2005, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cee2lee2

I agree with Ringbearer, but I go even further than he: I've decided I'm not going to see anymore "R" movies. I'm not saying that the movies aren't well done, moving, or powerful for I've found many to be all of those things. It's just that I'm tired of them. I'm at a point in my life where I need things to be positive and uplifting, especially what I read and watch for entertainment. There are too many awful images in my head already and I don't need to add to them.

Not a judgment on anyone else nor on art; it's just where my head's at right now.

Well stated...in the first thread I stated that "I was tired of these types of movies"...they are not uplifting in any way!
Sure, some folks like them and think they are more "true to life"...I want my life AND others to have a happy ending...

You may laugh at me for this one...remember the movie "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids"?...I cried when the animated ant got killed!...I was MAD at Disney for years...why the (expletive omitted), didn't they just let the poor thing just walk away...it befriended the kids and saved them...then SWOOSH...it gets killed

hectorberlioz · 01-06-2006, 05:15 PM

The Perfect Storm WAS a good movie...*ponders it*

Bad Guy Wins movies are getting more numerous...as are ones that don't really end. My dad recently watched a movie with John Malkovich that ended with a boat exploding. Sounds stupid (probably is if it has John Malkovich).
if it's done well, Bad Guy Wins movies can work really well, if done pointlessly...well, they're pointless.

By the way, Ringbearer, I don't think BadGuyWins movies are always "true to life" either

Rev. Justin Timberlake · 01-25-2006, 02:34 PM

Arlington Road

ringbearer · 02-12-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev. Justin Timberlake

Arlington Road

Another perfect example of what I am talking about...that movie was good...until the horrible ending!

11-30-2005, 11:10 PM	#1
ringbearer Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: St. Louis, Mo. USA Posts: 561	Tired of movies where the "bad guy" wins! Seems this is the "in thing" more and more...just saw The Skeleton Key, and once again was disappointed... __________________ Ringbearer Hide Witch, hide! The Good Folks come to burn thee! Their keen enjoyment hid behind A Gothic mask of duty!

11-30-2005, 11:58 PM	#2
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	Guess it's part of the good ol' "keepin' it real" (blah). __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

12-01-2005, 09:58 AM	#3
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	I think I've actually never saw a film where the bad guy won. Not when who's bad and who's good are clearly defined. __________________ Don't Panic!

12-09-2005, 02:51 PM	#5
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	But Seven was a great movie. As was Omen. It can be done. __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

12-11-2005, 02:21 AM	#8
ringbearer Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: St. Louis, Mo. USA Posts: 561	But still...back to the point! The friggin "Bad guy" won! I am tired of the bad guy winning...I may be foolish...but I am sick of seeing movies and looking over at my wife and saying..."You know this one is going to end bad, don't you?" FIDDLESTICKS!!! __________________ Ringbearer Hide Witch, hide! The Good Folks come to burn thee! Their keen enjoyment hid behind A Gothic mask of duty!

12-11-2005, 02:30 AM	#9
ringbearer Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: St. Louis, Mo. USA Posts: 561	Also worth mentionig is Stan Kubrick's version of "The Shining"...This film(or piece of crap) made me so mad... Spoiler below the "true hero" of the novel(Dick Halloran) is killed by Jack Torrence...just because Kubrick thought "someone has to die!" __________________ Ringbearer Hide Witch, hide! The Good Folks come to burn thee! Their keen enjoyment hid behind A Gothic mask of duty!

12-11-2005, 09:29 PM	#12
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	Depression and art arent mutualy exclusive. __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

12-14-2005, 11:30 AM	#13
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	I suppose it has to do with personal taste. In school we always seem to read only books that ended bad. Since then I have a big dislike of stories that don't end well or where the bad guy wins, written or filmed. __________________ We are not things.

12-15-2005, 09:19 PM	#14
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I liked both seven and Perfect Storm; they were good movies (although in Perfect Storm there wasn't really a bad "guy"), but I HATED Natural Born Killers. If a movie is well done, then the bad guy winning can enhance the power of the plot, but not all movies are well done. You just have to make a guess about if you're going to enjoy it. My vote for one of the top five movies where the bad guy won: Chinatown. Errrggghhh, chilling ending!

12-15-2005, 10:51 PM	#15
cee2lee2 Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 2nd star to the left..... Posts: 566	I agree with Ringbearer, but I go even further than he: I've decided I'm not going to see anymore "R" movies. I'm not saying that the movies aren't well done, moving, or powerful for I've found many to be all of those things. It's just that I'm tired of them. I'm at a point in my life where I need things to be positive and uplifting, especially what I read and watch for entertainment. There are too many awful images in my head already and I don't need to add to them. Not a judgment on anyone else nor on art; it's just where my head's at right now.

12-16-2005, 10:35 PM	#16
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I agree with you cee2. That's why I stopped watching horror movies many years ago. I'll catch part of one on tv every now and then, though, and just watch for as long as I want to, then change the channel. But there are some good R movies that aren't disturbing, but are just more adult in nature (than a movie with a lesser rating), such as American Splendor. And sometimes movies that contain violence or some disturbing images are done well, not just for the sake of including them, that it makes them worthwhile to watch. The Passion of the Christ comes to mind, or Minority Report. Edit: wrong movie name

01-06-2006, 05:15 PM	#18
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	The Perfect Storm WAS a good movie...ponders it Bad Guy Wins movies are getting more numerous...as are ones that don't really end. My dad recently watched a movie with John Malkovich that ended with a boat exploding. Sounds stupid (probably is if it has John Malkovich). if it's done well, Bad Guy Wins movies can work really well, if done pointlessly...well, they're pointless. By the way, Ringbearer, I don't think BadGuyWins movies are always "true to life" either __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide Last edited by hectorberlioz : 01-06-2006 at 05:16 PM.

01-25-2006, 02:34 PM	#19
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