qui gonn not disapearing

i noticed that yoda and kenobi disappeared when they died. why did nt qui gonn disapear?

Simple-Yoda and Obi-wan were at peace and ready to die. Qui-gon, however, was not. Either than or the jedi heaven didn't want such a bad actor.

We had a very prolonged discussion about this at jedicouncil.net and came to the conclusion that it had to do with being ready to die, that you had to be at peace to become one with the Force. However, you can still be a blue see through guy even if you don't dissapear.

Exactly what i was trying to say

I think the reason ob1 and yoda disapeared is that they were still training there apprentices. When ob1 said if you strike me down i shall become more powerful than you can imagine, he meant he will become more powerful as a jedi master, and he did. when yoda died, he was still training luke. when qui gonn and vader died, they were not training anyone. qui gonn was done with ob1 and vader was just a regular jedi at the time of his death. anakin was not yet qui gonns apprentice.

dmaul, your wrong.

Ryan, you're right.

On the issue of Qui-Gon's lack and vanishing in TPM after his death, I stumbled across something on the SW: Behind the Magic CD that might be of relevance. In the Scene by Scene for Return of the Jedi go to ROJ-24. Click to shot 2 of 4. Click on the question mark in the image that points to Obi-Wan. The caption reads as follows: "Ben's Ghostly Form: According to Lucas, not all Jedi are capable of retaining their identities after death. At some point between Episode III and Star Wars: A New Hope, Yoda taught Ben this powerful ability. As is evident from the conclusion of Return of the Jedi, Anakin Skywalker adopted the technique as well."

I think tater and ryan are just completely wrong. I dont care where they dicussed this before, there still completetly wrong. I think master tater is right.

I'm gonna go check that CD now. And dmaul96, read your posts a few steps up

There's no conclusive proof yet to say who's right or who's wrong on this. It'll be explained in Ep II or III, but until then, people shouldn't automatically jump from hypothesis to undeniable conclusion. None of us knows if anyone (besides Lucas himself of course) is right or wrong.

Not trying to be mean but i think you all need lives the movie is for entertainment NOT MENT FOR WORSHIP you all have obssevive problems

That wasn't very nice... This isn't even a very big Star Wars discussion either... Try not to insult people ok?

WHATS SO WRONG ABOUT BIENG A SW FREAK?!!!?! (although i'm not one anymore)

The term isn't freak, it's obsessed maniac (I'm one, so I can say that).

We had this discussion on another board (Chamber of the Sages) and decided that... I think it was the aprentice thing, but galadriel closed the thread, so I don't realy know what everyone thought of that idea...

it is most appearent that elrond is the only one here who's not a complete idiot. why would meditating change someone's death. anyway qui gonn was meditating in the middle of the battle. so, ryan, tater i dont care where you discussed this before, you are wrong!

GL himself said that it would be explained in the next movie. He said the key phrase was, "When you strike me down, I'll become more powerful..." etc., etc.

Listen to LiC you will, know what she is saying she does.

I don't think that she likes be called "he" ... :P